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Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:18 am to Big Scrub TX
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I don't agree with that advice.
And this increases the chances of some type of violent interaction with an LEO if and when they are surprised with a firearm. It's hard to have any sympathy for someone like that when there is such a common sense alternative.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:18 am to airfernando
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sounds like you pull your pants down and bend over.
I don't pay a tax to carry my gun nor do I tell the police I have a gun.
Keeping it real
We need more of this to fix the problems we have with the leo/citizen relationship.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:20 am to MoroccoMole
You didn't do everything right, Just like him. Enjoy the downvote
Oh and please don't carry a weapon
Oh and please don't carry a weapon
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:23 am to dantes69
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I also keep both hands on the wheel in plain sight while I explain that I am a CC holder
was apparently his big mistake
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:26 am to jamboybarry
quote:Why? I'm pulled over. I have a legal firearm in my glove box. Where's the violence coming from absent bad policing?
And this increases the chances of some type of violent interaction with an LEO if and when they are surprised with a firearm.
quote:I find this an interesting perspective, since the entire point of concealed carry and 2A is self-protection...potentially against a coercive state. Why would I approach every interaction with the state from a position of weakness?
It's hard to have any sympathy for someone like that when there is such a common sense alternative.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:28 am to MoroccoMole
I'd be more fearful of owning a gun in the age of no-knock raids.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:29 am to MoroccoMole
No.
You advise the officer you have a CCP and are carrying and you do whatever they tell you
You advise the officer you have a CCP and are carrying and you do whatever they tell you
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:31 am to Big Scrub TX
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Why? I'm pulled over. I have a legal firearm in my glove box. Where's the violence coming from absent bad policing?
No one said you were breaking the law but this attitude is childish and dangerous. There is a reason almost every CC instructor preaches notice to LEO. It is simply not worth the risk and greatly reduces the chances of an altercation. I get your M.O. on here but if you intend to be a martyr to the cause of bad policing then you would be going about it the right way. I intend to carry and also go home to my family at night.
quote:
find this an interesting perspective, since the entire point of concealed carry and 2A is self-protection...potentially against a coercive state. Why would I approach every interaction with the state from a position of weakness?
Le sigh. By all means whip out your bill of rights next time you're pulled over while carrying.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:32 am to Loserman
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isn't the color of your skin that causes problems. It is the color of your character!
FBI Statistics have continuously show, that IF anything Blacks are under policed.
They also get away with more when being confronted by police than whites do for equal offenses.
If I could spell what Foghorn Leghorn sounds like when he objects to something I'd type it here.
They aren't under shot. Being black definitely ups the stakes. That being said black men and women NEED to know this. Do you want to be right or do you want to be alive? You can take umbrage all you want with why you are being pulled over and the officers tone or whatever the frick you want to object to, but you should do it after everybody calms down. And after the cop has backup. There is a way to get pulled over. Sadly many black guys are scared shitless when they are pulled over. I'm thinking of the guy that lived. Young black dude in Oklahoma I think. He was too quick to comply. He was trying to grab his wallet to fast out of nerves and genuine normal reactions to being pulled over. The cop shot about 5 times.
Some people should not be police. The cop in the instance I mention is no longer a cop. The cop in Minnesota should never be a cop.
Basically, comply with the guy with the gun who "has the drop on you". That is a basic life lesson for any circumstance. Guy jumps out of an alley and puts a gun to your head and demands your wife's purse? Hand him the fricking purse. It ain't time to jerk around with your hands or start runni g your mouth. Same for a cop who has you pulled over. Even if you know the cop is dead wrong. Do you want to get shot while being right?
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:35 am to MoroccoMole
You realize that the girlfriends story and officer/ eye witness accounts did not match up
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:38 am to MoroccoMole
I'm with you on this one and I almost always take the cop's backs. It was involuntary manslaughter, not murder, but dude seriously shouldn't have gotten off. As conservatives we surrender our claim to be reasonable when we can't call something like this for what it is!
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:41 am to jamboybarry
quote:Childish? It's an assessment of the totality of the circumstances. My general level of trust in LEO is pretty low. Again, I'm not talking about on my person. I'm talking about in the vehicle. Does your logic also apply for home visits by LEO?
but this attitude is childish and dangerous.
quote:Can you please be more specific about which risk you are talking about? Walk me through a scenario whereby my lawful, gloveboxed gun leads to an untoward outcome.
It is simply not worth the risk
quote:Seems like a childish thing to say. I didn't say anything about antagonizing LEO. I said I don't necessarily agree with disclosing automatically. Your position of LEO would seem to be even lower than mine - you evidently feel that they are unable to operate competently in the presence of law-abiding citizens.
By all means whip out your bill of rights next time you're pulled over while carrying.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:52 am to Big Scrub TX
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Childish? It's an assessment of the totality of the circumstances. My general level of trust in LEO is pretty low. Again, I'm not talking about on my person. I'm talking about in the vehicle. Does your logic also apply for home visits by LEO?
And if you don't trust he police that is fine and probably warranted in specific situations but that is all the more reason for full disclosure when it costs you nothing and dramatically reduces the chances of an altercation.
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Can you please be more specific about which risk you are talking about? Walk me through a scenario whereby my lawful, gloveboxed gun leads to an untoward outcome
Do you even realize the OP you're posting in?
quote:
Seems like a childish thing to say. I didn't say anything about antagonizing LEO. I said I don't necessarily agree with disclosing automatically. Your position of LEO would seem to be even lower than mine - you evidently feel that they are unable to operate competently in the presence of law-abiding citizens.
You're issue is with "bad policing" (which in certain situations is 100% valid) yet in this thread you advocate for placing yourself in a completely avoidable situation with an LEO and an undisclosed firearm in a vehicle which could lead to the "bad policing" you gripe about.
It's like the self fulfilling prophecy that is completely avoidable.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:57 am to MoroccoMole
This would not have happened to me, because I would not have resembled the perpetrator in a connivence store robbery in the first place. Second, if one has taken the course for CC, packing while under the influence is prohibited. Third, my hands would have been wrapped around the steering wheel, awaiting officer sir's commands. His mother was right about being black in the wrong place, but incomplete. Raise your kids to be respectful of the law, and officers of the law. Take instructions carefully, do not make sudden moves, and start acting like you are crazy and about to do something crazy. The officer was doing what he thought he should do to stay alive in this crazy world. It is not the fault of the officer.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 12:00 pm to Loserman
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bullshite!
It isn't the color of your skin that causes problems. It is the color of your character!
FBI Statistics have continuously show, that IF anything Blacks are under policed.
They also get away with more when being confronted by police than whites do for equal offenses.
If he were white, he would not have fit the description of the armed robber.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 12:02 pm to airfernando
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sounds like you pull your pants down and bend over.
I don't pay a tax to carry my gun nor do I tell the police I have a gun.
People like you end up in dire straits. It is called Darwinism.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 12:04 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I understand this tactic but I don't necessarily agree with it. The whole point of 2A and concealed carry is to be able to protect yourself. You aren't doing anything illegal by carrying, so you have no reason to pro-actively disclose.
Actually, you can lose your permit, if not stupidly losing your life by failing to disclose.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 12:05 pm to jamboybarry
quote:Yes, was it not on his person?
Do you even realize the OP you're posting in?
quote:I view it as why should I so quickly accede access to my gun if LEO turns out to be a bad actor?
You're issue is with "bad policing" (which in certain situations is 100% valid) yet in this thread you advocate for placing yourself in a completely avoidable situation with an LEO and an undisclosed firearm in a vehicle which could lead to the "bad policing" you gripe about.
It's like the self fulfilling prophecy that is completely avoidable.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 12:05 pm to MoroccoMole
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Does the Minnesota verdict make you feel uncomfortable having a CC permit
Not at all
But I'm a pretty smart guy.
I won't be saying "hey, i have a gun" and then be dumb enough to reach in the direction of it.
I mean. The cop was an idiot but it was completely preventable even with his idiocy
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