re: Does the Holy Land belong to The Church?

Simple question, why do you think after all the promises God made to the physical Jews, the nation of Israel, he would suddenly abandon them and not fulfill those promises?

FYI if you like conversations like this on TD, I’d delete that flame thread you have on the Catholics. That’s why the administration doesn’t look fondly on religious threads.

PS. You say I believe what I believe because my church taught me this. Well, your belief in Replacement Theory” is also the teaching of man.

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Brother if you read that scripture you references in Isaiah 22 and don't see it typifying christs ministry you are seriously seriously throwes off and indoctrinated by the Catholic church. You honestly think that verse has to do with freaking peter? Lol wth

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Yes.

David is the foreshadowing of Jesus or more properly type and anti-type. Even though Hezekiah is the king at this time it still holds with David, as it's David's kingdom not Hezekiah's kingdom, he is only the descendent of David not David himself.

Eliakim is the foreshadowing of the Apostle Peter. Why would two figures with different roles in David's Kingdom represent the same person in the New Testament.

You claim it has to do with Jesus ministry? Could you please explain this?

Peter is the Prime Minister of the Church, not the new King. Jesus is the King but he left us a Prime Minister who leads the Church. So too do his other Apostles have authority but it was only Peter who Jesus gave the keys to.

But I love the ad hominem argument you have put forth. Sure I'm indoctrinated by the Church that makes my view wrong.

Jesus came to bring the good news to all the nations or the gentiles, he doesn't leave out the Jewish people when he brings the good news to all the nations. The Old Testament even prophecies that the Messiah will proclaim the good news to all the nations.

Also Jesus was a Jew and many of the Apostles as well. Were they specially selected by Jesus? Than the rest of the jews were forsaken because Christ choose the gentiles instead?

I seriously don't follow what you're trying to ask you weird catholic lady

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The Jews have been temporarily blinded from acknowledging Jesus as their messiah as a nation.

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2600+ years is long for “temporarily”. Ever thought… who is responsible for blinding the Jews? Look no further than the LORD himself, using his earthly kings, his anointed, his messiahs.

The Christians are a continuation of the first temple cult period of Solomon, where they worshipped Asherah (mother god, Ruach Elohim, the Holy Spirit). They worshipped Nehushtan the snake god of healing, and El Elyon, and Ba’al (or Ba’al Hadad), which was just another title for Yahweh. Saul’s son was named Ishbaal. The priest of Yahweh in Moab (with the talking donkey) was Baalim. Gideon was also called Jurubbaal.

They re-wrote the scriptures to change things. It started out as Hezekiah and Josiah trying to implement a form of monotheism or monolatry. Then when the Persians took over and rebuilt the temple, the changes continued. They could no longer have Jewish divine kings, aka messiahs. The reason for that was because Cyrus of Persia was now the LORD’s messiah (Isaiah 45:1). You really think Yahweh would have chosen a Persian king to be his anointed?

The priestly scribes started to re-write history. They try to excuse Gideon having the theophoric name “Jerubbaal” not because Baal is his master, but because he knocked down a Baal statue. Please. They rename Ishbaal to Ishboseth… changing man of Baal, to man of shame.

Hosea 2:16

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“And in that day, declares the LORD, you will call me ‘My Husband,’ and no longer will you call me ‘My Baal.’

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Jeremiah could see all these changes to scripture taking place.

Jeremiah 8:8

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“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law (Torah) of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

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So, the LORD Yahweh chose Hezekiah and Josiah as messiahs, then let the Babylonians destroy Judah so that Babylonian and Zoroastrian religious ideas could mix in with Judaism, then the LORD chose Cyrus as his messiah. No more messiahs, it was the priestly class that was now in charge as vassals under foreign occupation.

Jesus in the gospels was the sacrificial goat of the day of atonement, which was on the Levitical calendar but not on the later Deuteronomist calendar of the second temple period. Moses tried to atone for the sins of his brethren (when they worshipped Yahweh using the golden calf idol) and Yahweh told Moses that no one could atone for the sins of others anymore.

The messianic savior king of the first temple was no longer compatible with second temple theology. That’s why the priestly class in Jerusalem rejected the Jesus movement. Thank your LORD Yahweh for all that. And if you believe Paul that Jesus IS Yahweh, then you can thank Jesus for causing the Jews to reject himself.

ETA: I forgot to follow up on Nehushtan, the snake god of healing, also called the Brazen Serpent. Hezekiah destroyed the Brazen Serpent in the temple, because Jews were worshipping it (and had been for hundreds of years). Then a scribe added a story to Numbers 21 about Moses creating the brazen serpent to heal people who were bitten by fiery serpents sent by… the LORD. There’s another one of those lies Jeremiah wrote about. Nehushtan was a snake god of healing that the Israelites worshipped along with their Canaanite and middle eastern neighbors… the excuse that Moses made the brazen serpent and that it did not represent the snake god was a fabrication.

Yes you are very indoctrinated unfortunately if you can place Peter by inspiration into those versed in Isaiah.. as if that's the intention the Spirit had lol. I literally feel sorry for you

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Does the Holy Land belong to The Church?

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No

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I’d tread very lightly here in aligning myself with any movement that aims to occupy Israel. You might find yourself on the wrong side.

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Mike, just curious. Why are we treading very lightly again?

My answer is that if it has not been revealed to you,it's because it's been shut up, and God had allowed your mind to be blinded, seeing as you have not received a love for the truth but have rather turned to fables

There is only ONE mediator between God and man you fool. You're priests are an affront to the ministry of Jesus Christ you fool