Does the Holy Land belong to The Church?

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Therefore while we hope for a swift resolution to the Gaza War, we must also hope for their conversion to The Catholic Apostolic Church

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So if I were to move to Jerusalem, you would think I should convert to the Catholic Apostolic Church?
I am a Christian but in no way would I convert to Catholicism.

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St Paul in the letter to the Romans makes the distinction that since Judaism/"National Israel" has rejected Christ, and converted Jews, Gentiles and the Church have become the "New Israel", implying that all blessings to Israel now come through the church - The Abrhamaic Covenant has moved from "Israel" to the Church, which is eloquently described in Paul's Olive Tree Parable

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At least we figured out who can tell the people what God wants.

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The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people.

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What an idiotic statement, but I’d expect nothing less

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Gentiles and the Church have become the "New Israel",

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Another idiotic statement. God has a plan for the church and another plan for Israel. The Jews have been temporarily blinded from acknowledging Jesus as their messiah as a nation. This blindness is temporary to facilitate the time of the Gentiles. When this time is done, the blinders will be removed an Israel Will acknowledge Jesus is messiah.



Romans 11:
I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?
3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.”
4 But what is God’s reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
7 ¶ What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,
8 as it is written,
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”
9 ¶ And David says,
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
10 let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
and bend their backs forever.”

11 ¶ So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous

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Revelator and the rest of the Scofield dispensationalists will be in here soon to tell you that you’re wrong.

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Did Scofield invent the lands God promised to Israel, and did Scofield plant the parts of the wailing wall that still stands in Jerusalem?

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If you aren't Orthodox or Catholic then you are a Protestant and, therefore, not really a Christian.

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This is rich

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The cuck version of Christianity did not exist for almost 2000 years of church history. You follow a recently developed religious belief,

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What belief is that?

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The Scofieldian dispensationalism.

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I go by the simple text of what the scripture says and don’t adhere to any one particular man’s theological thinking. You are using a strawman to prevent discussions of what the Bible actually says about Israel and it’s future restoration.

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This is rich

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And true.

I grew up Anglican, I think a lot of our problems go back to the schismatic nature of Protestant religions. I think it undermines our ability to find consensus, act collectively, and establish truth.


The western faiths, and I include the Roman church, are or have become pacifist, which is a problem for us. One of the things I admire about orthodoxy is that it is not pacifist.