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re: Does everyone deserve equal rights?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:16 am to cwill
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:16 am to cwill
I'm not against the idea of a higher power, but I think it's pretty clear he isn't that interested in our day to day existence and hasn't instilled in us innate rights and morals. If he/it did, we wouldn't constantly debate even our most basic "rights". Even the concept of not killing others varies from place to place and era to era. Most humans who've ever lived were much more liberal about death and killing than we are.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:20 am to Revelator
is this the kind of shite you spend your day thinking about?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:21 am to Roger Klarvin
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Um...what?
Well the definition of inalienable rights are rights that can't be given or taken away. Certainly if our rights derive from the government or man we can't have this guarantee? So only a Creator could guarantee these rights. So by contrast, telling someone that they have everlasting life that can be later taken away is similar.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 9:24 am
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:22 am to Revelator
If there is such a guarantee, then the bestower has done a piss-poor job of enforcing the guarantee.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:22 am to cwill
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Interesting that the most "christian" among us would be the least moral without the fear of god hanging over their heads.
You're missing his point.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:23 am to Revelator
Which rights, if any, has a Creator guaranteed?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:24 am to HempHead
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Pretty much. Welcome to nihilism, it's ridiculous.
FIFY
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:24 am to CJM18
Obviously, you're not a golfer.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:29 am to CJM18
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Interesting that the most "christian" among us would be the least moral without the fear of god hanging over their heads.
You're missing his point.
No, you're not seeing the implication.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:32 am to Revelator
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Well the definition of inalienable rights are rights that can't be given or taken away. Certainly if our rights derive from the government or man we can't have this guarantee? So only a Creator could guarantee these rights. So by contrast, telling someone that they have everlasting life that can be later taken away is similar.
The point is that inalienable rights don't actually exist. They are a construct of a certain group of people at a certain time in history. There is no such thing as "inalienable rights".
Your eternal life analogy makes no sense.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 9:33 am
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:35 am to Blue Velvet
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So you propose no govt.?
I propose that the government should go about obtaining property in a legal way. If they want to build a government building than give property owners a rightful offer for buying the property and let them decide. The government should have the power just to take something and give some monetary payment for damages.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:36 am to catholictigerfan
How would government get the money in the first place, if not by taking the property of its citizens?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:38 am to Revelator
We are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In order to protect these rights, all must have the rights to free speech, freedom of religion, right to bare arms, right to not have soldiers quartered in their homes without permission, right to no unreasonable searches and seizures of private property, right not to testify against yourself, right to a fair trial by a jury of your peers, right to be protected from cruel and unusual punishments, and the right to do whatever the heck you want as long as it doesn't violate anyone else's rights.
It all stems from the right to profit from your labors, to be able to enter into free enterprise and own property.
Voting is a privilege and responsibility. If you have earned it, you should not be denied the capacity to do so, but it must be earned and can be lost do to behaviors.
It all stems from the right to profit from your labors, to be able to enter into free enterprise and own property.
Voting is a privilege and responsibility. If you have earned it, you should not be denied the capacity to do so, but it must be earned and can be lost do to behaviors.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:46 am to HempHead
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If there is such a guarantee, then the bestower has done a piss-poor job of enforcing the guarantee.
Just because man chooses to not honor the rights granted to us by the Creator doesn't nullify said rights.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:48 am to Blue Velvet
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Which rights, if any, has a Creator guaranteed?
Well according to the writers of the Declaration of Independence, all that they innumerated.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:48 am to Revelator
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Just because man chooses to not honor the rights granted to us by the Creator doesn't nullify said rights.
Looks like they aren't inalienable, then.
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Well according to the writers of the Declaration of Independence, all that they innumerated.
Is there a Biblical basis for those rights listed?
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 9:49 am
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:49 am to Revelator
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Just because man chooses to not honor the rights granted to us by the Creator doesn't nullify said rights.
Why do you assume God has granted us inalienable rights just because the United States says he does?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:50 am to Revelator
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Well according to the writers of the Declaration of Independence, all that they innumerated.
You HAVE to know how ridiculous this sounds.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:53 am to HempHead
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Looks like they aren't inalienable, then.
I didn't write that they were, the founders did. And even if man takes them away, it doesn't undermine the concept that the founders viewed these rights as rights given from above and not capriciously granted by men.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:56 am to Revelator
Do you agree with them? Do their beliefs have a biblical basis? Did these inalienable rights exist before the DoI?
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