re: Do you have friends who now claim the vaccine was never supposed to stop the spread?

I don’t have misinformed friends…because if they were, I sure as shite wouldn’t be friends with them

this thread is done often on td. about every 3 days.

the answer is that flu and covid vaccines don't stop the spread of flu or covid.
they keep most people from dying. and help most people have a milder case than they would have and get over much sooner. that's it. that's a lot.
the early variant was killing healthy people.
the ba.5 seems to be mild for most.
the scuttlebutt on long covid looks like the shot is worth it.
my region stopped daily reporting. its weekly now.
some are hospitalized and some die. we don't see data whether the dead had co morbidities or had a vax or what brand.


your friend was wrong.

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Do you have friends who now claim the vaccine was never supposed to stop the spread?

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Nope. Only place I see that stupid, dishonest shite is here.

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Here is a clip of the town hall where Biden says if you have the vaccines you wont get covid

what was the date

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"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."
PotatoBrain - July 21, 2021

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Wrong... The protocol mandated by the medical system was killing healthy people

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That is simply false.

Not that folks like yourself are willing to listen. Fauci and medical bureaucrats have certainly given you reason not to. But a contention that the medical system was "killing healthy people" is ridiculous, even as hyperbole.

The original strains of CV19 were far more virulent than those floating around now. New York's hospital system being overwhelmed was not an act. The number of ICU admissions, and the percentage of infections advancing to that status were far higher than with current strains. Folks with SpO2's in the 60's were not "healthy".

As has been pointed out here many times, the natural evolution of a novel virus is from more-virulent/less-contagious to less-virulent/more-contagious. That's what was predicted. That's what we are seeing. So though current CV19 strains can still be deadly for vulnerable folks, they are much less so than was the case in early 2020.

Extrapolating experience with today's virus back to experiences of 2020 is a fool's errand.

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current CV19 strains can still be deadly

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WHO Guideline Development Group advises against use of remdesivir for covid-19

Remdesivir protocol was killing people

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However, one thing you are missing is that the vaccines did a fair job of stopping the spread of the original variants. They were about 95% effective after four months, and declined about 10% per month for the next five or six months, eventually being rather ineffective (thus the reason for the booster). As new variants appeared, it became less and less effective.

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I don't believe this. I remember the President trumpeting the CDC numbers that deaths and hospitalizations were 97:1, unvaccinated:vaccinated.

I never got the feeling that any of the one sided numbers they gave us were on the up and up. Everything seemed ginned up to make people want to the the jab. They kept walking it back every time their lies were exposed.

I have a FB post from a year ago showing data of the shot becoming ineffective for preventing the spread. There are plenty of pro vaccine friends in the comments telling me because I wasn't the CDC my ability to interpret data wasn't valid.

Gonna repost it in a few weeks to remind them of their bullshite opinions??

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Remdesivir protocol was killing people

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Oh my.

With a better understanding of the political/social landscape, you'd know the WHO's main concern about remdesivir was its cost. i.e., it would only be deployed in wealthy countries. As efficacy was limited, the WHO questioned cost vs benefit. They did not want appearances of Americans receiving treatment much of the world could not, due to cost.

Remdesivir remains in use.