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Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:44 am to Dale51
That's what climate is... but saying for example, it's cold today, therefore the climate is cooling, doesn't work.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:45 am to WhiskeyPapa
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The two very violent hurricanes that blasted NOLA - Katrina and another
Which other one? If GW causes more violent hurricanes, why is it that a major hurrican has not hit the shores of the US in over ...I think it's 11 years?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:45 am to rpg37
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Upvote for yes and down vote for no.
This is not a why vote, just a yes or no. Personally, I believe it is obvious, the debate should focus on how to reduce it and accept we play a role in it...but, to suggest we are the only culprits is asinine - even more so the one who believe Americans play a role in the capacity of India or China.
You may want to reword that phrase. A) Global warming is not en vogue nowadays. Now the progs say climate change B) i can believe that our climate is constantly changing and also not believe that man's impact is great enough to significantly impact global climate.
Can i downvote you based on your oversimplification of the question?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:47 am to WhiskeyPapa
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Man is clearly impacting the environment.
To what do you blame the catastrophic climate changes on this planet before humans or before humans reached the industrial age. "Polluted the earth". Those changes were millions of time more destructive and devastating than anything man has see n in recorded history.
DO you know the at one time this earth was encased in a ball of ice more than 25 mile thick, a few millions years later it all melted and and the nearest land was 20 mile or so under water.
Humans didn't do that, intelligent life was still billions of years from evolving. How do you explain those devastation's of the earth without human involvement as a catalysis?
Or do you just pick and choose what science you want to believe.
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Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:47 am to rpg37
I believe in climate change. I believe in both global warming and global cooling. I don't believe that man is responsible for changes in the climate.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:48 am to Dale51
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But extremes of weather are symptoms - evidence- of global warming.
Would global cooling manifest any different symptoms?
Yeah, an ice age.
"By the time it made its way to southern Florida on Aug. 25, Katrina was a moderate Category 1 hurricane. While it caused some flooding and casualties — two people were killed — during its first landfall, it appeared to be just another hurricane in an active hurricane season. Katrina weakened after passing over Florida and was reclassified as a tropical storm.
But, once over water again, Katrina stalled beneath a very large upper-level anticyclone that dominated the entire Gulf of Mexico, and rapidly gained strength. Katrina re-intensified into a hurricane on Aug. 26, and became a Category Five storm on Aug. 28, with winds blowing at about 175 mph (280 kph). The storm turned north toward the Louisiana coast. The storm weakened to a Category 3 storm before making landfall along the Louisiana-Mississippi border on the morning of Aug. 29 with sustained winds of 120 mph (193 kph)."
Rising Temperatures May Cause More Katrinas
Small increases in temperature found to add power to storms in the Atlantic.
Hurricanes that form in the Atlantic Ocean are expected to gain considerable strength as the global temperature continues to rise, a new study has found.
Using modeling data focused on the conditions in which hurricanes form, a group of international researchers based at Beijing Normal University found that for every 1.8ºF (1ºC) rise of the Earth's temperature, the number of hurricanes in the Atlantic that are as strong or stronger than Hurricane Katrina will increase twofold to sevenfold.
Hurricane strength is directly related to the heat of the water where the storm forms. More water vapor in the air from evaporating ocean water adds fuel to hurricanes—also called cyclones and typhoons in different parts of the world—that build strength and head toward land.
Hurricane Katrina is widely considered the measure for a destructive storm, holding the maximum Category 5 designation for a full 24 hours in late August 2005. It lost strength as it passed over the Florida peninsula, but gained destructive power right before colliding with New Orleans, killing more than 200 people and causing $80 billion in damage.
The study points to a gradual increase of Katrina-like events."
LINK
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:49 am to Jake88
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I believe the climate is not static and will warm and cool many times over the next few millennia. I don't think people have much to do with it.
I believe the evidence proves that to be true.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:51 am to Dale51
Factually the evidence shows that people are forcing an abrupt and extreme warming on the earth.
What you believe is irrelevant. That's what is happening.
What you believe is irrelevant. That's what is happening.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:51 am to FooManChoo
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I believe in climate change. I believe in both global warming and global cooling. I don't believe that man is responsible for changes in the climate.
The science tells us that continued and increasing use of fossil fuels exacerbate pollutants that add to the Greenhouse Effect, which is one of the major factors in global warming.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:51 am to Killean
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That's what climate is... but saying for example, it's cold today, therefore the climate is cooling, doesn't work.
Then why...other than to hopefully cause fear to further a agenda..do warmists often point to "The hottest day in 50 years" as evidence of AGW?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:51 am to Killean
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Factually the evidence shows that people are forcing an abrupt and extreme warming on the earth.
That is the deal, people.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:53 am to WhiskeyPapa
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Yeah, an ice age.
I meant, leading up to that horrible event. Like the AGW people point to "signs" of the impending doom.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:55 am to WhiskeyPapa
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The study points to a gradual increase of Katrina-like events."
When? That shite was ELEVEN years ago and the US has had a decrease in major hurricanes.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:55 am to WhiskeyPapa
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The study points to a gradual increase of Katrina-like events."
But there hasn't been a major hurricane in the US for 11 years..sooo..
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:57 am to goldennugget
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WhiskeyPapa What are your solutions. More taxes? More government? More ceding to UN control? Less liberty?
Global Warming Solutions:
Reduce Emissions
We have the technology and practical solutions at hand.
In order to effectively address global warming, we must significantly reduce the amount of heat-trapping emissions we are putting into the atmosphere.
The good news is that we have the technology and practical solutions at hand to accomplish it.
As individuals, we can help by taking action to reduce our personal carbon emissions. But to fully address the threat of global warming, we must demand action from our elected leaders to support and implement a comprehensive set of climate solutions:
Expand the use of renewable energy and transform our energy system to one that is cleaner and less dependent on coal and other fossil fuels.
Increase vehicle fuel efficiency and support other solutions that reduce U.S. oil use.
Place limits on the amount of carbon that polluters are allowed to emit.
Build a clean energy economy by investing in efficient energy technologies, industries, and approaches.
Reduce tropical deforestation and its associated global warming emissions.
LINK
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:59 am to WhiskeyPapa
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As individuals, we can help by taking action to reduce our personal carbon emissions.
frick that.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:59 am to Dale51
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The study points to a gradual increase of Katrina-like events."
But there hasn't been a major hurricane in the US for 11 years..sooo..
So we shouldn't work to avoid another Katrina?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 10:01 am to Killean
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Factually the evidence shows that people are forcing an abrupt and extreme warming on the earth.
You may believe that to be true, but the evidence proves otherwise. But maybe it a problem of definition of terms. If .8 degree rise in 100 years is "abrupt and extreme", what would a normal fluctuation in temperature be, in your opinion?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 10:04 am to WhiskeyPapa
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We have the technology and practical solutions at hand.
In order to effectively address global warming, we must significantly reduce the amount of heat-trapping emissions we are putting into the atmosphere.
The good news is that we have the technology and practical solutions at hand to accomplish it.
As individuals, we can help by taking action to reduce our personal carbon emissions. But to fully address the threat of global warming, we must demand action from our elected leaders to support and implement a comprehensive set of climate solutions:
Expand the use of renewable energy and transform our energy system to one that is cleaner and less dependent on coal and other fossil fuels.
Increase vehicle fuel efficiency and support other solutions that reduce U.S. oil use.
Place limits on the amount of carbon that polluters are allowed to emit.
Build a clean energy economy by investing in efficient energy technologies, industries, and approaches.
Reduce tropical deforestation and its associated global warming emissions.
That's a shite ton of jobs and economic growth lost for 2 degrees Celsius.
None of what you posted is a new concept. They have been trying in earnest for 8 years. How many solar start-ups failed in he previous 8 years? How much closer are we to a national energy transmission system based on wind or the sun?
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