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Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:28 pm to
Posted by Pinecone Repair
Burminham
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:28 pm to
No.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:28 pm to
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For most of American history, it has been national policy to plunder the capital accumulated by black people—social or otherwise.


Ridiculous statement, I mean, what the hell does the govt want with 30 million sets of chrome spinning rims?
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31541 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:52 pm to
True. That's what the new "civil rights" leaders and leftists have been doing for decades.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:11 pm to
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The amount of wealth stolen from blacks through slavery has been more than paid off through welfare benefits transferred to them since the 1960s.


Actually, it probably hasn't been. But I find it interesting that you think the period in question ends with the end of slavery.
Posted by UsingUpAllTheLetters
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:21 pm to
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For the last 54 years in American society, intellectuals and the political elite have used the propaganda outlined by Marx in Kapital to promote the idea of conflict between people of different classes, race, gender, sexuality, and nationality. They have generally used white men aged 30-65 as the face of tyranny and oppression, and blast anyone with dissenting views as a bigot, sexist, homophobe, or war-monger. They use this tactic among many others,(few less despicable) to force people to their side in efforts to secure more votes and more funding to protect their precious careers.
FIFY
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:36 pm to
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For the last 54 years in American society,


And what happened in the preceding 300 years? White men were oppressed by tyrants themselves?
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36444 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:37 pm to
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For most of American history, it has been national policy to plunder the capital accumulated by black people—social or otherwise.


plunder the social capital of black people? what the frick does that even mean?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33599 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:38 pm to
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plunder the social capital of black people? what the frick does that even mean?


Read the article and get back to me. You should be smart enough to understand it.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:40 pm to
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The amount of wealth stolen from blacks through slavery has been more than paid off through welfare benefits transferred to them since the 1960s.

I'm not soo sure about that. I'd like to see some calculations based on the value of the labor, using fair interest and amoritization rates. Also, keep in mind that the robbery continued after slavery via Jim Crow. For example, not only did states spend less on education per pupil on Black kids, but Black teachers made less than their White counterparts. Also, there are many jobs that were systematically denied to Black folsk, both in the public and private sector, strictly because of the color of their skin.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36444 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:40 pm to
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Read the article and get back to me. You should be smart enough to understand it.


I suffered through half of it and gave up before I suffered any long-term physical injury.

Is he accusing "us" of appropriating black cultural norms? What a tired and ridiculous accusation.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 10:45 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:42 pm to
Race Baiter ; DR
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33599 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:44 pm to
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Is he accusing "us" of appropriating black cultural norms?


That is not what I got out of it.
Posted by UsingUpAllTheLetters
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:45 pm to
For most of the preceding 300 years we had no industry outside of agriculture, genius. And much of that was the product of slave labor; an atrocious institution that was thankfully gotten rid of long before your parents decided to produce another mouth-breathing, half-thinking, economically-incoherent, bleeding-heart, "sent from an iPhone", reactionary mess of a contemporary liberal.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36444 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:46 pm to
I scanned through it some more (I admit I didn't really pay that much attention, hence me thinking a girl wrote it) and I still don't know what he means by 'social capital.' He doesn't really expound on it meaningfully, imo. I don't disagree with a couple of his points, but other than name dropping some important black cultural figures he really doesn't make any strong argument at all on that particular matter.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33599 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:48 pm to
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I still don't know what he means by 'social capital.' He doesn't really expound on it meaningfully


I thought he was pretty clear.

quote:

This culture of scholastic achievement had not been acquired yesterday. The same set of practices had allowed my classmates to succeed in high school, and had likely been reinforced by other scholastic achievers around them. I am sure many of them had parents who were scholastic high-achievers. This is how social capital reinforces itself and compounds. It is not merely one high achieving child, but a flock of high achieving children, each backed by high-achieving parents. I once talked to a woman who spoke German, English and French and had done so since she was a child. How did this happen, I asked? “Everyone in my world spoke multiple languages,” she explained. “It was just what you did.”


What don't you understand?
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36444 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:50 pm to
Ok great, a definition of 'social capital.' How has black social capital been 'plundered' again?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33599 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:54 pm to
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Ok great, a definition of 'social capital.' How has black social capital been 'plundered' again?


Good god, man. He laid it out explicitly for you.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:08 pm to
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For most of American history, it has been national policy to plunder the capital accumulated by black people—social or otherwise.


It would be more accurate to say its policy has been to prevent blacks from ever acquiring capital by siphoning off the fruits of their labor to others. Slavery is exactly that.

Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:13 pm to
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I once talked to a woman who spoke German, English and French and had done so since she was a child. How did this happen, I asked?


Genetics...
Posted by OleWar
Troy H. Middleton Library
Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:28 pm to
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They had something over me, and that something was a culture, which is to say a suite of practices so ingrained as to be ritualistic. The scholastic achievers knew how to quickly memorize a poem in a language they did not understand. They knew that recopying a handout a few days before an exam helped them digest the information. They knew to bring a pencil, not a pen, to that exam. They knew that you could (with the professor’s permission) record lectures and take pictures of the blackboard.


He is blaming his own inability to learn French or do well in school on a vast historical conspiracy to steal the "social capital" of the black man. He might just as well say the white man put gris-gris on him, because that would make more sense.

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