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Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:46 pm to SammyTiger
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what do you mean by police state.
When you fear the police/government more than you fear criminals.
Or put another way...
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In my entire life, I have never, ever thought to be afraid of my government. I am now in the process of re-thinking that matter.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:48 pm to Alahunter
quote:it's the locals who will toss you in jail.
I'm much more concerned about things at the Federal level, than at the local.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:48 pm to wilfont
quote:which "police states" are you talking about?
The various apparatus used by police states are usually clandestine and accomplish their goal without public awareness.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:55 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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which "police states" are you talking about?
Chose one. From East Germany and the Stasi to the old Soviet Union to Pinochet in Chile. All used clandestine tactics to reach their goals of control through fear.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:15 pm to wilfont
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Chose one. From East Germany and the Stasi to the old Soviet Union to Pinochet in Chile. All used clandestine tactics to reach their goals of control through fear.
In E Germany everyone was well aware of the existence of the police state, Stassi and the fact that you couldn't trust anyone....yes, it was clandestine, but no one had any doubts about the state of their existence.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:30 pm to wilfont
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You're wrong.
The various apparatus used by police states are usually clandestine and accomplish their goal without public awareness.
N. Korea is very open about its policies.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:27 pm to cwill
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In E Germany everyone was well aware of the existence of the police state,
But that was never the point of my post. Knowledge of the state's existence, notwithstanding, they operate in secrecy.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:34 pm to wilfont
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The various apparatus used by police states are usually clandestine and accomplish their goal without public awareness.
Agree, but I think this is more of a new concept.
The 1984 idea of forcing servitude and control doesn't work.
The Brave New World idea of creating an environment that allows citizens to love their servitude and remain blind to the control is much more ideal.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:36 pm to SammyTiger
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N. Korea is very open about its policies
You believe the average North Korean is kept abreast of their government's policies? I think the North Korean people have discerned through experience not to trust their government but that is not the same as being aware of stated, but more importantly, unstated policies.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:39 pm to cwill
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History reveals police states are usually clandestine. We're becoming the exception to that rule.
What do you mean by this? How is what is occurring here different from E Germany aside from scale and the fact the E Germany was the very definition of a police state while here we can argue that there are some vestiges appearing but still a long way from a police state.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:39 pm to SammyTiger
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N. Korea is very open about its policies.
so was E Germany...I don't see wilfont's point here.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:44 pm to cwill
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What do you mean by this?
To a degree it was a subtle but anguished attempt to imply that Washington no longer attempts to sugar coat legislation that diminishes long defined and long enjoyed freedoms among the country's citizenry.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:49 pm to cwill
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so was E Germany...
East Germany, the paragon of openness
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:56 pm to NYNolaguy1
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do we live in a police state?
Yes.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 6:19 pm to Holden Caulfield
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You believe the average North Korean is kept abreast of their government's policies? I think the North Korean people have discerned through experience not to trust their government but that is not the same as being aware of stated, but more importantly, unstated policies.
i thin the publicly announced the machine-gunning of a porn actress.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 6:21 pm to NYNolaguy1
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When you fear the police/government more than you fear criminals.
Well the government certainly takes more of my money.
amiright?
but no i don't generally fear the Government unless they start cracking down on copyright laws for uh... certain types of videos ... i watch online... by myself.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 6:22 pm to NYNolaguy1
Yep. A war with the cops is coming.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:52 pm to OMLandshark
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Yep. A war with the cops is coming.
Why would anyone want to go to war with the police. Police don't write laws the legislature does. Attacking cops because of your disappointment with government is like attacking the meter reader because you are dissatisfied with your electrical bill.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:55 pm to NYNolaguy1
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So I ask you the Poliboard, do we live in a police state?
YES!
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