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re: Do we have the right to a clean environment?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 8:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/27/17 at 8:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Too subjective, would be a cluster frick
Agree.. "decent" is a terrible term. Tennessee water laws uses the word "objectionable" at one point.. and it's honestly impossible to use.
But I don't see a reason something shouldn't be added to the bill of rights. Although just the threat of adding an amendment like the one posted in the OP was enough for Nixon and crew to create the EPA
Something like:
"The natural resources of the nation are the heritage of present and future generations. The right of each person to clean and healthful air and water shall not be infringed upon by any person."
I would think the other natural resources (rare species, etc) should be left out. Hard to imagine a constitutional right to enjoying bald eagles or hellbenders..
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 8:30 am
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 8:30 am to bmy
What kind of vehicle do you own?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 8:54 am to bmy
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right to a decent environment.”
Well, hell, let's go all the way. How about an amendment that says 'Everyone has the right to be happy.'
Posted on 2/27/17 at 9:08 am to bmy
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Do we have the right to a clean environment?
Is there something wrong with the "environment"?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 9:11 am to bmy
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What about the quality of water or air on my property?
Whats wrong with the air or water on your property?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 9:23 am to GumboPot
This is exactly right. The EPA should police pollution however it's mission has grown far beyond that. Today through a mountain of regulation the EPA protects big chemical companies by creating barrier of entry to their business.
Cuts to the EPA should also include a reduction in the regulations they are expected to enforce.
Cuts to the EPA should also include a reduction in the regulations they are expected to enforce.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:57 pm to I B Freeman
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This is exactly right. The EPA should police pollution however it's mission has grown far beyond that. Today through a mountain of regulation the EPA protects big chemical companies by creating barrier of entry to their business.
Cuts to the EPA should also include a reduction in the regulations they are expected to enforce
I agree with this.. and I think the EPA should get back to focusing on air and water quality. Leave climate to NOAA and endangered species to USFWS. Permits can be handled by by the Corps and the states
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:02 pm to Dale51
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Whats wrong with the air or water on your property?
Well Nashville just recently had to issue an air quality alert for people with respiratory conditions and in general advised people to avoid long periods of outdoor exercise.
I don't find that acceptable tbh.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:02 pm to bmy
A common sensical right to clean water and air? Sure.
To have the EPA run by EnviroNazi's... no
To have the EPA run by EnviroNazi's... no
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:05 pm to bmy
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Well Nashville just recently had to issue an air quality alert for people with respiratory conditions and in general advised people to avoid long periods of outdoor exercise.
Whats going on in Nashville..what is the nature of the problem?
That said, again conflating the --I imagine--an unusual anomaly for the norm.
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Davidson and surrounding counties are under an air quality alert for the second-straight day Saturday, and officials caution that the trend may continue. Ground-level ozone concentrations within the region may approach or exceed unhealthy standards. The general public is not likely to be affected, but active children and adults, and people with respiratory disease such as asthma, should limit prolonged outdoor exertion, experts said.
So..2 days and possibly approaching "unhealthy" standards. Humid air and temps in the 80's can often affect a particular demographic.
Thats life.
What regulations do you suppose could be demanded that would negate hot and humid weather??
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:19 pm to Dale51
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Whats going on in Nashville..what is the nature of the problem?
Nashville sits in a bowl..if you drive down 440, between 40 and West End, you can see the whole city down in the bowl..it's early for the temp inversion, that's usually a Dog Day's phenomena.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:21 pm to Zach
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How about an amendment that says 'Everyone has the right to be happy.'
It was touched on in the Declaration of Independence, but what did those frickers know.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:21 pm to OchoDedos
Thanks for the info OchoDedos!
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:24 pm to 9th life
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It was touched on in the Declaration of Independence, but what did those frickers know.
It was? Where?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:24 pm to bmy
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"constitutional amendment that would have recognized in the Bill of Rights that “[e]very person has the inalienable right to a decent environment.” H.R. J. Res. 1321, 90th Cong., 2d Sess.
If this is the entirety of the wording then I can tell you why it failed. Its not because of those gosh darn evil oil companies. Its because its worded like a brain dead hippie high on LSD wrote it while jamming at woodstock.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:26 pm to Dale51
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It was? Where?
My man, Dale51
The "unalienable rights" of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:29 pm to 9th life
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The "unalienable rights" of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
Ummm...Thanks for taking the bait..I wasn't sure you would be that gullible! My Maaan!.."pursuit" of happiness...what does that mean in your world, as opposed to "A right to be happy?
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:32 pm to Dale51
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Ummm...Thanks for taking the bait..I wasn't sure you would be that gullible! My Maaan!.."pursuit" of happiness...what does that mean in your world, as opposed to "A right to be happy?
seriously, even you can't be this dense.
ETA: I'll answer your question. To say one has the right pursue happiness is the same as saying one has the right to be happy. The two are synonymous "in my world." How are they not in yours?
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:39 pm to 9th life
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seriously, even you can't be this dense. ETA: I'll answer your question. To say one has the right pursue happiness is the same as saying one has the right to be happy. The two are synonymous "in my world." How are they not in yours?
That is laughable. You can't be serious.
In your world, is your right to pursue a high paying job the same as you having the "right" to that job??
It's hard to think you're serious.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:40 pm to bmy
There are all sorts of ways that an environment can be made unclean by nature. How do you guarantee rights that we don't have control over?
I'm always weary of people asking for new rights to be protected because people don't seem to understand the difference between a privilege and a right. Rights are universal because they have been endowed by God, not declared based on public opinion.
I'm always weary of people asking for new rights to be protected because people don't seem to understand the difference between a privilege and a right. Rights are universal because they have been endowed by God, not declared based on public opinion.
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