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Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:22 am to ForeLSU
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And 24 hours ago the whole Flynn thing was "fake news"
Its still fake news. What did he say that was somehow illegal? There nothing. The whole kerfuffle is about him not saying he had spoken to them. Suddenly, it seems, that the dems have gotten really concerned about full disclosure!! Why do you suppose that is?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:23 am to AlaTiger
it is illegal for a private citizen to go into discussions/negotiations with another country on behalf of the united states.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:26 am to tke857
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it is illegal for a private citizen to go into discussions/negotiations with another country on behalf of the united states.
Its illegal to negotiate. It's not illegal to discuss.
Discuss =/= Negotiate
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:26 am to tke857
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it is illegal for a private citizen to go into discussions/negotiations with another country on behalf of the united states.
It's illegal to negotiate with another country having a dispute with the US.
It's not illegal to have discussions with foreign diplomats.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:27 am to tke857
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it is illegal for a private citizen to go into discussions/negotiations with another country on behalf of the united states.
It's actually not, it's just there is no legal binding until the POTUS puts a negotiation together and the Senate approves...
See Jimmy Carter's wonderful actions with the DPRK...
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:29 am to tke857
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it is illegal for a private citizen to go into discussions/negotiations with another country on behalf of the united states.
Obama...Israeli election. What were the consequences he faced?
That said, what "negotiations" did Flynn engage in? W@hat was promised or implied?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:31 am to oklahogjr
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Link with hard evidence please
Do your own research. In has been clearly stated that the information was based on transcripts of conversations. Flynn was a private citizen. A warrant is needed. Don't you agree, or are you one of these "Government can do no wrong" types?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:31 am to Dale51
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That said, what "negotiations" did Flynn engage in? W@hat was promised or implied?
The concern isn't negotiation. It's more or less the discussion of how both the Obama administration and the Trump administration would respond to Russia's reaction to the sanctions.
Flynn served under both administrations and he would have insight into that.
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Officials said this week that the FBI is continuing to examine Flynn’s communications with Kislyak. Several officials emphasized that while sanctions were discussed, they did not see evidence that Flynn had an intent to convey an explicit promise to take action after the inauguration.
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All of those officials said Flynn’s references to the election-related sanctions were explicit. Two of those officials went further, saying that Flynn urged Russia not to overreact to the penalties being imposed by President Barack Obama, making clear that the two sides would be in position to review the matter after Trump was sworn in as president.
So....he basically told Russia to pump the brakes and don't over react.
He's actually saying that he'd be in a better position to negotiate after the inauguration.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 7:36 am
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:34 am to AlaTiger
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Hiring the best people?
"Best people" and "Democrat" don't go together, so it appears Trump screwed up with hiring Flynn.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:35 am to member12
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The concern isn't negotiation. It's more or less the discussion of how both the Obama administration and the Trump administration would respond to Russia's reaction to the sanctions. Flynn served under both administrations and he would have insight into that.
So there were no negotiations. What is the scope of the Logan Act? Can a private citizen talk to a foreign business person about a business he or she used to be a part of, or is that against the law?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:37 am to Dale51
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What is the scope of the Logan Act?
Narrow. It's been on the books for over 200 years and has resulted in 0 prosecutions.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:47 am to Toddy
quote:Because the evidence is overwhelming....
I've already been called an idiot
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:49 am to tke857
So what was Obama in 2008 when he sat with Russian officials and said "I'll have more flexibility after the inauguration"?
The Left are being their usual a-hole hypocrites here.
The Left are being their usual a-hole hypocrites here.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:52 am to AlaTiger
He likely violated the Logan act. If that is true, then yes he did break the law.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:52 am to GFaceKillah
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He likely violated the Logan act.
How exactly did he violate the Logan act?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:57 am to member12
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The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position.
By conducting unauthorized negotiations as a citizen.
ETA: obviously, I don't know what was discussed. But if he did violate the Logan Act then he violated the law. Time will tell.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 8:03 am
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:00 am to AlaTiger
no
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:17 am to GFaceKillah
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But if he did violate the Logan Act then he violated the law.
The scope of the Logan act is so narrow that it has never resulted in prosecutions in over 200 years.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:49 am to AlaTiger
quote:Really?
No way Flynn did that on his own. He had orders from above him to do it. Without question.
Without question?
I blame it all on a video, personally.
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