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Did anyone else hear Greg Gutfeld's rant on the North Korean conflict?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:34 pm to nateslu1
It's a nice take. Probably not wrong at all. But it's gone on so long and the propaganda machine has endocrined those people in lies so strongly, how do you reverse it?
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:54 pm to indianswim
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how do you reverse it?
You can't. All NK knows is how it lived in the past. They would have to fundamentally change to go forward. That won't happen because too many in power would have to let go of control.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:56 am to indianswim
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the propaganda machine has endocrined those people in lies so strongly, how do you reverse it?
With lots of bombs, bullets, and fire....... or a couple nukes.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:52 am to indianswim
Your sentence also describes US liberals
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:20 am to indianswim
quote:No it isn't.
It's a nice take
In fact, it is nothing but a variant of the same blame-the-US globalist crap news networks, Dems, and neocons spew continuously. Gutfeld, Kristol, McCain -- peas-in-a-pod. Gutfeld just lacks the intellectual consistency to make it obvious.
Various countries are poorly led and make poor decisions all the time. When they do, it's their responsibility. During the Cold War that was not necessarily the case. But for the past 30yrs it has been. E.g., Venezuela is now in dire straits. Venezuela is not Russia's fault. Venezuela is Venezuela's fault.
In the same vein, North Korea is not China's fault and it certainly is not the US's fault. North Korea made the post-ColdWar decision to put missiles in the air before they put food on their table. China did not make that decision. North Korea made the decision to uniform legions of troops before putting electricity in its homes. Russia did not make that decision. NK did.
Wars are ultimately economic precepts. Undermining one's economy to bolster the army is never a long term solution unless invasion/confiscation of a neighbor is an option. But that is exactly where NK is.
It is a position of NK's choosing. So eventually they'll either need to invade the South, or wither away, collapsing under their own stupidity and paranoia. They badly need an excuse to restart the Korean War. It is what it is.
No one without provocation is/was going to invade them. No one wants them. So when North Korea spends 22% of its GDP on military despite blackouts and starving population, blame lies squarely on North Korea, not on a "bad parent".
quote:It is about as wrong as wrong gets..
Probably not wrong at all
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:07 am to NC_Tigah
I don't think he was excusing their actions as much as he was trying to explain the psychology of a country of 25 million people and which takes up half a peninsula essentially trying to commit suicide by cop.
I thought it was an intelligent, thought-provoking theory if nothing else. I mean we can toss the NK logic aside as madman lunacy, or we can try to understand our enemy on as deep a level as possible. Their behavior truly makes no sense from a utilitarian perspective, and I always figured them to be pawns of Russia or China. Rogue countries and madmen dictators have been a big strain on human progress.
I like the effort to understand them psychologically, because it may offer more insight into how to handle them and how to prevent such behavior in the future. The fact is Americans will die if we go to war with them, so we might as well make every effort to know our enemy.
I appreciate an original thought anyway, especially coming from a mainstream news outlet. I do think there's some validity to it.
I thought it was an intelligent, thought-provoking theory if nothing else. I mean we can toss the NK logic aside as madman lunacy, or we can try to understand our enemy on as deep a level as possible. Their behavior truly makes no sense from a utilitarian perspective, and I always figured them to be pawns of Russia or China. Rogue countries and madmen dictators have been a big strain on human progress.
I like the effort to understand them psychologically, because it may offer more insight into how to handle them and how to prevent such behavior in the future. The fact is Americans will die if we go to war with them, so we might as well make every effort to know our enemy.
I appreciate an original thought anyway, especially coming from a mainstream news outlet. I do think there's some validity to it.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:49 am to Mohican
quote:Right.
I mean we can toss the NK logic aside as madman lunacy, or we can try to understand our enemy on as deep a level as possible
Again the logic of wrecking an economy while continually spending on military expansion is neither "lunacy" nor is it somehow difficult to understand.
The calculation is that at some point the Korean War can be rejoined. This time with a better ending for NK. Treasure and resources from the South would be confiscated, and the long sacrificing militarized North would be rewarded.
If the North could isolate a Korean conflict from involvement of other combatants, namely the US and China, it would invade the South tomorrow. The problem is, they can't. And thus far without such isolation, they are unwilling to do what they are itching to.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:52 am to nateslu1
I have a MILF-crush on KG.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:03 am to NC_Tigah
Yeah, I heard it while driving and I agree. It was an extremely stupid take. I say that as a guy who likes Gutfeld. I am still rolling my eyes, especially with the panel indulging that garbage.
I wish I could get Greg to read a book on The Korean War, familiarize himself with the name Art Bonifas and USS Pueblo and the last 65 years of Korean history. While North Korea may well be a Chinese client state, their brand of totalitarian mass murder is uniquely a function of North Korea's psychotic leadership.
I wish I could get Greg to read a book on The Korean War, familiarize himself with the name Art Bonifas and USS Pueblo and the last 65 years of Korean history. While North Korea may well be a Chinese client state, their brand of totalitarian mass murder is uniquely a function of North Korea's psychotic leadership.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:10 am to NC_Tigah
Maybe you missed the point.
The country that supports them by doing business with their leaders likely encouraged the behavior. It only helps China to have a communist NK in the region.
China is not a role model for NK like the US is for SK.
He never said they weren't ultimately responsible. He said, had NK been partners with US instead of China, things would have been different. You can agree or disagree.
The country that supports them by doing business with their leaders likely encouraged the behavior. It only helps China to have a communist NK in the region.
China is not a role model for NK like the US is for SK.
He never said they weren't ultimately responsible. He said, had NK been partners with US instead of China, things would have been different. You can agree or disagree.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:14 am to indianswim
quote:
how do you reverse it?
As in the US changing it? We can't; the only ones that have a chance at changing it are SK and China
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:38 am to NC_Tigah
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In the same vein, North Korea is not China's fault and it certainly is not the US's fault. North Korea made the post-ColdWar decision to put missiles in the air before they put food on their table. China did not make that decision. North Korea made the decision to uniform legions of troops before putting electricity in its homes. Russia did not make that decision. NK did. Wars are ultimately economic precepts. Undermining one's economy to bolster the army is never a long term solution unless invasion/confiscation of a neighbor is an option. But that is exactly where NK is. It is a position of NK's choosing. So eventually they'll either need to invade the South, or wither away, collapsing under their own stupidity and paranoia. They badly need an excuse to restart the Korean War. It is what it is. No one without provocation is/was going to invade them. No one wants them. So when North Korea spends 22% of its GDP on military despite blackouts and starving population, blame lies squarely on North Korea, not on a "bad parent". quote: Probably not wrong at all It is about as wrong as wrong gets..
Wrong, NK does not acquire the technology to build advanced weapons without assistance from China and indirectly the US.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 6:40 am
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:40 am to indianswim
quote:WYF IS THIS
endocrined
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:42 am to AUX3
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The country that supports them by doing business with their leaders likely encouraged the behavior. It only helps China to have a communist NK in the region.
quote:To decide if someone missed the point, compare the NK model with Vietnam.
Maybe you missed the point.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 6:43 am
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:44 am to ShortyRob
quote:hormonal
WYF IS THIS
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:53 am to Bass Tiger
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NK does not acquire the technology
You are conflating assistance with intent. e.g., Was it BillClinton's intent that NK develop NukeICBMs when he assisted them?
You are also conflating potential to control with control.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:58 am to NC_Tigah
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It is a position of NK's choosing. So eventually they'll either need to invade the South, or wither away, collapsing under their own stupidity and paranoia. They badly need an excuse to restart the Korean War. It is what it is.
Murderous sociopath who thinks he can extort his way to power. No way he can be allowed to possess ICBM hydrogen bombs because he is crazy enough to use them.
I don't like it one bit, just when our Economy was gaining steam; and for the poor folk over there. But you can book that the Military are getting the preemptive ducks in a line right now, to do minimal civilian harm and target Fatboy. Will make a good example for other rogue Nations that ponder nukes to further evil visions.
An evacuation of Seoul would get the ball rolling. Hard times.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 7:09 am to NC_Tigah
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North Korea made the post-ColdWar decision to put missiles in the air before they put food on their table.
This is all you had to say. This is the problem with Gutfeld's "awww poor NK" argument
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