re: Did anyone catch the Jon Stewart and Oreilly debate on white privilege?

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White privilege is nothing more than another excuse, manufactured by liberal/progressive morons to excuse the failings of black society.
Because everyone knows it's easier to make an excuse than to actually achieve something in life.
We all know that achieving success takes some effort. While making excuses takes none.

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As I said, the meaning of the term used in the context of liberal talking points is largely nonsense.

Me saying that being white has increased my odds of a successful life is not absolving the black community from blame.

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Being white statistically increases your odds of going to college in the first place. Additionally, being born black inherently decreases the odds that you end up in a school district that provides the education necessary for you to become an elite student.

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That's illogical. It's like saying 'being tall increases your odds of playing in the NBA as opposed to being short.'

The answer to the above is "well, being tall puts you at a physical advantage."

Why does being white = success vis-a-vis blacks = success? Your explanation is "because whites are more successful."

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In other words, the odds of you being a national merit scholar with great test scores would have been much lower had you been born into the black community.

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Why? I had no TV. No A.C. (and in New Iberia that = 90 degrees in the house during summer). I lived in a friggin' shack. My dad was a drop out and a manual laborer. Why did my whiteness create my academic success?

Your answer: "Because there are more white national merit scholars."

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Poverty is one of many factors. Culture, instilled in all of us by our elders, plays arguably an even bigger role. The legal system also plays a significant role.

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Oh, I agree that culture is key. That's exactly why black culture is in such a sad state. So, white privilege = "Our culture doesn't suck like black culture does." Got it.

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Being white statistically increases your odds of going to college in the first place.

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is that privilege or a sign that more white people engaged in better culture?

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Additionally, being born black inherently decreases the odds that you end up in a school district that provides the education necessary for you to become an elite student.

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schools don't create good students. genetics, culture, and parents do.

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In other words, the odds of you being a national merit scholar with great test scores would have been much lower had you been born into the black community.

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one of the biggest, if not the biggest, pathology of the urban-black community is its devaluation of education. when that happens, you won't have many national merit scholars. point the finger at the culture that creates these issues, not the successful culture

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It's like saying 'being tall increases your odds of playing in the NBA as opposed to being short.'

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Exactly

That doesn't mean Allen Iverson cant play in the NBA, but it means Shawn Bradley didn't have to work nearly as hard or be nearly as talented to do it. Now replace playing in the NBA with something vital for successful living, such as education or health.

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Why does being white = success vis-a-vis blacks = success?

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Its a numbers game. Based on a number of factors (social beliefs, culture, education, financial means, health, etc.) being born white inherently starts one out with a numbers advantage across the whole population. This isn't to say every white person has better odds than every black person, but this is true of the population as a whole.

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Why? I had no TV. No A.C. (and in New Iberia that = 90 degrees in the house during summer). I lived in a friggin' shack. My dad was a drop out and a manual laborer. Why did my whiteness create my academic success?

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Did your parents minimize the value of education? Were you arrested for a trumped up charge and/or imprisoned for an excessive period of time for a relatively minor offense? Were you raised in an area and in a time more hostile to minorities? And so on and so forth.

If so, then congrats on making it out. You are still looking at this from an individual perspective though.

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So, white privilege = "Our culture doesn't suck like black culture does."

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In many ways yes. The difference between us however is that you simply stop there and regard yourself as inherently superior instead of looking at why white culture is largely more conducive to success.

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is that privilege or a sign that more white people engaged in better culture?

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Its a sign that black culture is deficient in many ways. The question is why?

For some, the answer is simply because it is. Black culture is entirely the fault of blacks themselves, an inherent deficiency that can only be remedied why "whitening" up their culture.

For others, the answer is entirely out of their control and dictated by outside factors. This leads to the nanny state with the mindset that blacks are helpless and require our help.

Both f the above mindsets lead to one ultimate conclusion: Blacks, in some form or fashion, are inherently inferior and thus their culture inferior.

I choose to acknowledge what I see as obvious: Its a combination of internal and external factors.

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one of the biggest, if not the biggest, pathology of the urban-black community is its devaluation of education. when that happens, you won't have many national merit scholars. point the finger at the culture that creates these issues, not the successful culture

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I don't disagree, but you fail to ask why blacks as a whole devalue education.

If we're honest with ourselves, part of it is the systemic devaluation produced in part by decades of skewed social and legal factors that pushed black culture in a given direction. The actions of other groups, groups in power, in some ways forced education to drift down the list of importance.

Nobody should ever argue that, individually, drive must be generated within. However, when your culture has been pushed so far away from values that are beneficial to success it becomes tougher and tougher for you to get out of that cycle once born into it.

Now, should you as a white male in 2014 feel guilty about that? frick no, but acknowledging it is important in the grand scheme of things.

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Its a numbers game. Based on a number of factors (social beliefs, culture, education, financial means, health, etc.) being born white inherently starts one out with a numbers advantage across the whole population.

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You left out a number. IQ. Blacks are by far the least intelligent of all races. Could that have something to do with their lack of success?

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Did your parents minimize the value of education?

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They didn't care about my education. That just noticed that Zach read a lot.

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Were you arrested for a trumped up charge and/or imprisoned for an excessive period of time for a relatively minor offense?

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No. My parents told me that if I did something wrong the cops would shoot me. And they would simply have another child to replace me. I never did anything wrong. Neither did my brother.

Only one thing I did wrong. When I was 11 years old I got my Mom's Sears Catalog and looked at the lingerie section.

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Were you raised in an area and in a time more hostile to minorities? And so on and so forth.

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I was raised in the 50s. Blacks and whites in my neighborhood got along great because we were all poor. Jimmy, a black kid, was one of my playmates. I went over to his house often to play with the chickens they had in their back yard. Jimmy had a dad. I had a dad. That's one thing different between poor kids back in my day and poor kids today.

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Blacks are by far the least intelligent of all races.

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Well there's that

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but they decided against implementing it.

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not all of them decided against, the ones I know that did take the plunge are happy and successful, and I consider them friends.

Sure not everyone has the chance to choose, but in the USA most do.

See SFP's choice lectures.