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Did a Big Law Attorney Act Unethically to Sabotage Trump's Travel 'Ban'?

Posted on 3/4/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19809 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 12:51 pm
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At oral argument, the government was represented by career lawyer August Flentje. As Paul Mirengoff at Powerline says, Flentje “did not argue effectively” -- an understatement, according to my sources.

But why was Flentje arguing the case in the first place instead of Acting Solicitor General Noel Francisco, an exceptional lawyer who has argued numerous cases before the U.S. Supreme Court and who filed an outstanding brief in the case?




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Because on the day before oral argument, Francisco recused himself from the case.

He did so because an attorney from the New York office of Francisco’s former law firm, Jones Day, filed an amicus brief on behalf of several law professors in the Ninth Circuit. That brief questioned the constitutionality and “rationality of the Executive Order” as well as its alleged “discriminatory impact.”

The filing of an amicus brief is not unusual. But the circumstances surrounding this particular brief are unusual and raise ethical questions that have not been answered.




At every turn it is more and more obvious that this is Trump vs. NWO
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35396 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 12:54 pm to
Yet Trump dropped the case and has yet to sign a new EO. All of that is on him.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 12:56 pm to
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Did a Big Law Attorney Act Unethically to Sabotage Trump's Travel 'Ban'?
Yes.

Let's revise the motto Truman used to "The Buck Stops Everywhere Else."
Posted by Armchair_QB
Member since Aug 2013
1512 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 12:58 pm to
The Republicans need to stop playing by the rules. You can't eradicate the disease that is Liberalism that way. You have to stoop to their level unfortunately.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 12:59 pm to
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Yet Trump dropped the case and has yet to sign a new EO. All of that is on him.



SEE YOU IN COURT

Meh, sounded good didn't it?
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
6936 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:00 pm to
Why did trump send someone incompetent? If there only one smart attorney in the country?

I thought trump only hired the best.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19809 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:01 pm to
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Yes.

Let's revise the motto Truman used to "The Buck Stops Everywhere Else."


What was interesting to me about the article had nothing to do with the actual EO but with the behind the scenes legal maneuvering. Why would someone go through with that given the possible ramifications when the outcome was basically predetermined?
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105408 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:01 pm to
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Let's revise the motto Truman used to "The Buck Stops Everywhere Else."


Obama revised that in 2009. I thought it was still in place.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:03 pm to
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Obama revised that in 2009. I thought it was still in place.
To be fair, Obama only blamed Bush and most other white people.

Trump blames errrbody.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105408 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:18 pm to
That's not being fair, Obama just didn't take accountability for much at all.

He also found out about stuff watching the news like the rest of us.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:23 pm to
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That's not being fair, Obama just didn't take accountability for much at all.
He talked wistfully about how he could have done some things better in the latter days of the admin. He took responsibility for the congressional bloodbath in 2010. I'm sure there were other examples. Let me be frank. Qualitatively, as men, I don't see many parallels between the president and his predecessor. Not in temperament, behavior, approach to problems, or anything else. Maybe you do.

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He also found out about stuff watching the news like the rest of us.
Hell the news is often as critical an initial source as anything clandestine or technical. At least as far as unfolding events.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105408 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:37 pm to
I wasn't trying to compare the two. One had no business being President for the last eight years and wasn't at all qualified, and the other took advantage of timing where voters hate the establishment.

I would list all the things he shed blame over, but the list is far too long. You being the intelligent man you are already know the many I would post anyway. BTW someone saying they could have done some things better is not exactly brave and strong to do.

Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:41 pm to
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Let's revise the motto Truman used to "The Buck Stops Everywhere Else."
Trumpkins should just count their blessings he didn't send Cohen out there to defend it.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:51 pm to
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Trumpkins should just count their blessings he didn't send Cohen out there to defend it.
At this point, pretty much all of his political surrogates and spokesmen are hot garbage. You see that little squirrelly fricker Carter Page last night.

Good Lord.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17023 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:54 pm to
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At every turn it is more and more obvious that this is Trump vs. NWO



Posted by dinosaur
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
1091 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 2:07 pm to
While this thread has diverted into more of an argument of whether Trump is worse than Obama, I understand the ramifications of the conflict rules and am shocked that that firm filed that brief. In normal circumstances and normal cases it would be close to professional suicide, nearly insuring some sanction from the bar. But these are not normal circumstances. To me, it is clear that there is an ongoing war, fought so far without bullets, between the current administration and the Democratic party. Misrepresentations from both sides, reports of what seems to be misuse of anti-terrorist warrants, leaks that may damage national security, show that these are not normal times. If this administration falls because of these attacks, the country will likely become so divided and polarized that war is possible. Scary times.

corrected typo
This post was edited on 3/4/17 at 2:10 pm
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