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re: Democrats Want To Shutdown The Government, TRUMP Will Not Let Them
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:34 am to VOLhalla
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:34 am to VOLhalla
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Reconciliation bills aren't subject to the filibuster.
No shite. Do you know what a Reconciliation bill even is?
It's not a full bill. It has significant limitations. It's budgetary in nature only and can't change mandates that aren't fiscally related.
If you think Republicans, or Congress in general, can legislate with Reconciliation measures alone, you're a freaking imbecile.
Get a clue.
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:35 am to AggieDub14
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What possible reason could anyone have for not auditing the fed?
Tends to lead to suicide or unfortunate accidents
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:35 am to Seldom Seen
I like Trump's angle on this. The bail out of Puerto Rico benefits Mitt Romney and Bain Capital who are big Puerto Rician bond holders. He's blaming the Dems but it's many GOPe that want to bail out Puerto Rico too (because of their bad investment decisions) but if the GOPe comes out in favor of the bail out they lump themselves in with the Democrats which exposes themselves politically.
3D intergalactic Caribbean rum chess.
3D intergalactic Caribbean rum chess.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:37 am to mmcgrath
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Are Republicans having trouble passing a budget?
As much as the Democrats did, I would imagine.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:39 am to Byron Bojangles III
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Why does trump care? He'll be golfing whether it's shut down or not
Probably winning at golf, too.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:40 am to BeefDawg
This is a thread about a possible gov shutdown and you mentioned that the Republicans can't stop the Dems from filibustering. Apparently you have no idea what a reconciliation bill is 
Republicans can 100% prevent a government shutdown. Mentioning a filibuster is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Dumbass.
Republicans can 100% prevent a government shutdown. Mentioning a filibuster is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Dumbass.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:40 am to DawgsLife
There is, of course, a simple solution to all this.
One that will never happen, but it wold solve this.
No Congressman shall receive any pay for any portion of any calendar year in which there was not a budget.
Cut their fricking pay and damn sure they would find a way to agree on a budget.
One that will never happen, but it wold solve this.
No Congressman shall receive any pay for any portion of any calendar year in which there was not a budget.
Cut their fricking pay and damn sure they would find a way to agree on a budget.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:41 am to Tactical1
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So... Not winning?
Plenty of winning. Doesn't change the fact Dems are trying to obstruct everything still and have the ability to prevent laws from being passed while still the minority.
Why are you so intellectually dishonest?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:42 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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That isn't true, and it's very dishonest of you to say so
republicans can pass the budget with a simple majority. Donald Trump is great at playing the victim. It's always someone else's fault.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:44 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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No Congressman shall receive any pay for any portion of any calendar year in which there was not a budget.
Cut their fricking pay and damn sure they would find a way to agree on a budget.
EXCELLENT idea!
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:47 am to VOLhalla
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This is a thread about a possible gov shutdown and you mentioned that the Republicans can't stop the Dems from filibustering. Apparently you have no idea what a reconciliation bill is
Republicans can 100% prevent a government shutdown. Mentioning a filibuster is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Dumbass.
Idiot, a Reconciliation of the existing budget bill gives Dems leverage. Why in the blue frick do you think they are demanding Puerto Rico bailouts and blocking border wall funding?
If Trump could do a full new budget bill, this wouldn't be happening. But he can't do a full new bill because Dems will filibuster it.
So Reconciliation is the only alternative. And Dems are making ultimatums still.
How do you not get this you retard?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:49 am to BeefDawg
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So Reconciliation is the only alternative. And Dems are making ultimatums still.
They can't make "ultimatums" because they have no leverage.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:52 am to BeefDawg
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When will you idiots realize that Republicans don't have a super-majority in the Senate and therefore can't pass any bills if Democrats won't let them?
Were you asleep when Mitch "Yertle the Turtle" McConnell went nuclear option on (now) Justice Gorsuch's nomination?
Not saying they will get their act together, but he could pull this one off again. Or claim "reconciliation" and he would only need 51 votes. (And since we're talking fiscal issues here--passing of a budget or appropriations to bail out Puerto Rico, ACA insurance, etc.--it fits under reconciliation)
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 9:54 am
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:05 am to Quidam65
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Were you asleep when Mitch "Yertle the Turtle" McConnell went nuclear option on (now) Justice Gorsuch's nomination?
Not saying they will get their act together, but he could pull this one off again. Or claim "reconciliation" and he would only need 51 votes. (And since we're talking fiscal issues here--passing of a budget or appropriations to bail out Puerto Rico, ACA insurance, etc.--it fits under reconciliation)
Jesus H Christ.
You can't "nuclear option" legislation. That only applies to rules changes regarding federal job appointments that require Congressional approval.
And Reconciliation is simply the modification of an existing law with regards to that law's fiscal policy only. You can't modify hard mandates. And you can't add anything that wasn't already there.
This is why the ACA reform wasn't a full new bill and everyone was calling it Obamacare Lite. Because it was really just the ACA with some budgetary items being eliminated.
This is why the Democrats have leverage. Trump's tax plan has new mandates and additions. He can't get them into a Reconciliation measure. This is why he wants to do the budget as an entirely full new bill.
But Dems won't pass it unless he abides by their ultimatums.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:11 am to BeefDawg
Dear Beefdawg,
You don't really understand how this works, do you?
You don't really understand how this works, do you?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:16 am to BeefDawg
The Republicans can pass a whole new budget using reconciliation. The Dems did so in 1993.
Dumbass.
Dumbass.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:21 am to VOLhalla
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The Republicans can pass a whole new budget using reconciliation. The Dems did so in 1993.
Trump's plan/budget has too many additions and new mandates to qualify for Reconciliation.
Again, why do you think the Democrats are making ultimatums?
Think. Use you dim witted head. If Trump can just do what he wants and the Dems have no say, then why is there even the suggestion the government could be shut down?
Seriously, are you really this daft?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:22 am to BeefDawg
I mean, yeah, the Democrats can filibuster a new bill that they don't like, leaving Republicans with reconciliation as a way to avoid shutdown.
However, it's sort of weird to say that the Democrats are forcing a shutdown if they don't agree to exactly whatever Republicans want. We have 2 parties. You have to negotiate with them.
The majority party doesn't have carte blanche. That's not even how government is supposed to work.
However, it's sort of weird to say that the Democrats are forcing a shutdown if they don't agree to exactly whatever Republicans want. We have 2 parties. You have to negotiate with them.
The majority party doesn't have carte blanche. That's not even how government is supposed to work.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:27 am to DallasTiger
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Dear Beefdawg,
You don't really understand how this works, do you?
I clearly understand better than you idiots.
This is the same goddamn thing we went through with you morons about Obamacare.
You can't change too much or your bill won't qualify for Reconciliation. If you do want significant changes to a law, a new full bill must be presented.
But Dems are filibustering every new bill unless their ultimatums are met.
Sure, Reps can pass Reconciliation measures with just 51 votes, but they can't pass what they really want.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:29 am to cahoots
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I mean, yeah, the Democrats can filibuster a new bill that they don't like, leaving Republicans with reconciliation as a way to avoid shutdown.
However, it's sort of weird to say that the Democrats are forcing a shutdown if they don't agree to exactly whatever Republicans want. We have 2 parties. You have to negotiate with them.
The majority party doesn't have carte blanche. That's not even how government is supposed to work.
Funny, that's exactly how Obamacare got passed.
If the people vote in a super-majority, then that is how it works.
But right now, Dems aren't even negotiating. To say or act like they are is ridiculously dishonest.
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