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re: Democrats laugh at idea of voter ID law
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:What's the problem they found in Canada that's so different from the problem that is being searched for in the US?
I'm not really against Voter ID laws per se but view them more as laws in search of a problem.
Canadian voter ID law:
1) Show one of these pieces of ID
your driver's licence
your provincial or territorial ID card
any other government card with your photo, name and current address
You can use ID with your mailing address if that address appears in your voter registration file. If you're not sure what address we have on file, check your voter registration.
OR
2) Show two pieces of ID
At least one must have your current address
health card
Canadian passport
birth certificate
certificate of Canadian citizenship
citizenship card
social insurance number card
Indian status card
band membership card
Métis card
card issued by an Inuit local authority
Canadian Forces identity card
Veterans Affairs health card
old age security card
hospital card
medical clinic card
label on a prescription container
identity bracelet issued by a hospital or long-term care facility
blood donor card
CNIB card
credit card
debit card
employee card
student identity card
public transportation card
library card
liquor identity card
parolee card
firearms licence
licence or card issued for fishing, trapping or hunting
utility bill (e.g. electricity; water; telecommunications services including telephone, cable or satellite)
bank statement
credit union statement
credit card statement
personal cheque
government statement of benefits
government cheque or cheque stub
pension plan statement
residential lease or sub-lease
mortgage contract or statement
income tax assessment
property tax assessment or evaluation
vehicle ownership
insurance certificate, policy or statement
correspondence issued by a school, college or university
letter from a public curator, public guardian or public trustee
targeted revision form from Elections Canada to residents of long-term care facilities
letter of confirmation of residence from a First Nations band or reserve or an Inuit local authority
letter of confirmation of residence, letter of stay, admission form or statement of benefits from one of the following designated establishments:
student residence
seniors' residence
long-term care facility
shelter
soup kitchen
We accept e-statements and e-invoices. Print them or show them on a mobile device.
OR
3) If your ID does not have your current address, take an oath
Show two pieces of ID with your name and have someone who knows you attest to your address. This person must show proof of identity and address, be registered in the same polling division, and attest for only one person.
Important information about ID:
Your voter information card is not a piece of ID.
We accept pieces of ID in their original format. If your document was issued electronically, like an e-statement or an e-invoice, bring a printout or show it on a mobile device.
We accept different pieces of ID from the same source if the documents serve different purposes. For example, we accept an invoice and a transcript from the same school.
Your name and address must be printed on the ID. They can't be added by hand, unless they are added by the issuer of the document, like a residence administrator or a guardian.
We accept expired ID, as long as it has your name and current address.
The pieces of ID listed above are authorized by the Chief Electoral Officer. No other pieces will be accepted.
The pieces of ID required for a federal election are not the same as for provincial, territorial or municipal elections.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:07 pm to TreyAnastasio
quote:
You seem to be missing something about that militia
Point out the militia laws then
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:07 pm to SabiDojo
If you want to subsidize every eligible voters ID in conjunction with these laws then that's great, but republicans won't go for it because it would undermine the reason for these laws in the first place
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:07 pm to upgrayedd
Yeah I don't have a problem with free voter ID cards.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:07 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
You should take off your tinfoil hat.
You're incredibly naive if you think this is just about alleged "voter fraud"
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:08 pm to Phil2012
quote:
DS...you are ignorant!
No he is not ignorant, has
Oppositional Defiant Disorder
He must be a joy to work with or God forbid, be married too
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:08 pm to Phil2012
I'm fine with voter ID laws but you have to 1) make getting state ID free, 2) create a holiday or have it mandated that individuals who need to take off work to get the necessary credentials receive a paid vacation day or something of that nature to do so, or 3) create an easy/accessible online portal for individuals to register through beyond regular 8am-4pm hours of dmv/gov building being open.
I don't think it's as big an issue as either side makes it out to be but I'm all for closing as many loopholes/deficiencies in the voting process while also making sure we don't return to a Jim Crow era of bullying poorer individuals out of the polls.
I don't think it's as big an issue as either side makes it out to be but I'm all for closing as many loopholes/deficiencies in the voting process while also making sure we don't return to a Jim Crow era of bullying poorer individuals out of the polls.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:10 pm to TreyAnastasio
quote:
quote:
I'd be 100% for them being free for those that can't afford it.
Then lets do it. Otherwise its a poll tax, and poll taxes are not constitutional.
I think we all just agreed on something! Only took 1.5 pages. Too bad the adults we elect can't do this.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:11 pm to TreyAnastasio
quote:
If people were really concerned about voter fraud the problem would be solved in 20 minutes. Thats not the goal of voter ID laws though.
Everyone but the leftists who want illegals to vote is for Voter ID. It's common sense in the 21st century.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
You're incredibly naive if you think this is just about alleged "voter fraud"
I'd be willing to bet the voter ID law will effect more illegal voters more than ID-less people.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
Well it's part of a larger pattern of conservatives adding layer after layer to the voting process in order to suppress as much of the vote as possible.
I can guarantee that "conservatives" want as many votes as they can possibly get.
This is not about suppression, it's about making sure that voters are who they say they are...period.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:15 pm to TreyAnastasio
Democrats...Constitution...good one.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:18 pm to TreyAnastasio
quote:
Then why havent the states started handing out IDs? Its an amazingly simple solution.
What does it matter if they aren't required to be presented at the time of voting?
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:18 pm to TreyAnastasio
quote:
Then why havent the start started handing out IDs? Its an amazingly simple solution.
In many states they do.
I'm not really surprised that leftists think minorities are too inept to get an ID.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:18 pm to Kafkas father
quote:
This is not about suppression, it's about making sure that voters are who they say they are...period.
History and reality don't bear out your false perceptions.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:19 pm to TreyAnastasio
quote:
Ill just quote the document
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
You point out the word that you missed
So tell me what I missed. What are the laws regarding a well regulated militia?
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:21 pm to upgrayedd
[quote]I'd be willing to bet the voter ID law will effect more illegal voters more than ID-less people.[quote]
Very Well said
Very Well said
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I provided no id nor proof of residency when I registered to vote at the county clerk's office. Same story when I voted.
Swing border state full of illegals and snow birds (lots of potential for illegal voting)
Swing border state full of illegals and snow birds (lots of potential for illegal voting)
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:27 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
I'd be willing to bet the voter ID law will effect more illegal voters more than ID-less people.
There is no reason to believe that considering illegal voters is largely a made up boogeyman, with little to no evidence to support it.
We've seen tens of thousands of ID-less people disenfranchised in each state or large municipality that has enacted voter ID laws.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
You have to provide ID when you register as it is
No, you don't. In Minnesota, all you need is someone who IS registered to say you are a resident of the precinct. Sign a form and vote away.
Minnesota SOS site detailing process
Opponents of voter ID here will tell you that signing that form makes you liable for prosecution if they are found to be non-eligible. It never happens, since there is nothing that makes a name stand out to question it. Even if you wanted to go through voter rolls to look for duplicates, you will never know if the names on there are residents of the state, or if they came from across the bridge in Wisconsin, where they also voted.
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