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Democrats criticize GOP for moving forward on repeal of Obamacare

Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48942 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:03 pm
Because they don't have a consensus on a replacement, I guess like the consensus they had when they deemed the bill to pass 100% bipartisan in the dead of night.

Bwahahahahahahahah, is this real life???? Elections have consequences.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
67964 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:05 pm to
Just get rid of it and get out of the way of the market already.
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 1:06 pm
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:06 pm to
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Democrats criticize GOP for

Just pick a topic
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21898 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:07 pm to
If the bill is undoubtedly harming more people than repealing it would, repeal it without delay.

If you have a better option (that you can pass), go ahead and pass it.

But repealing and delaying the repeal is cowardly. Let's hope this election doesn't have the consequences of denying millions of Americans access to healthcare, and subsequently killing thousands - all because Republicans are cowards.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73446 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:08 pm to
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subsequently killing thousands
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22775 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

Just get rid of it and get out of the way of the market already.


How would "the market" effectively shape healthcare when it's completely full of upstream regulation already?

There is no health care free market. It ceased to exist with the implementation of medicare/medicaid and has only gotten worse. And the status quo pre-ACA was not great. It just seems that way compared to the shite we've been exposed to lately.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:09 pm to
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But repealing and delaying the repeal is cowardly.

its good politics thought.

I think the democrats are going to have to walk a fine line here. They need to offer a different view point without sounding like a whiner. They do get a lot of upside though if they can manage to stay out of the republicans way and republicans frick it up. But too ifs in there. Repealing obmacare might end up being awesome, especially if they can manage to replace it somehow.

Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32653 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:09 pm to
We've got to repeal it to find out what replaces it
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41686 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:10 pm to
Republicans should just say that we have to repeal Obamacare to know what we're going to replace it with, like how we needed to pass it so that we knew what was in it.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:10 pm to
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:12 pm to
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Let's hope this election doesn't have the consequences of denying millions of Americans access to healthcare, and subsequently killing thousands -


Healthcare and health insurance are not the same things.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69307 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:12 pm to
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subsequently killing thousands -
Democrats think it is murder when the government doesn't fund someone's consumption of healthcare.

Very odd. Inaction has never been considered murder.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:13 pm to
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And the status quo pre-ACA was not great. It just seems that way compared to the shite we've been exposed to lately.

there are actually a ton of winners under ACA. The thing is they probably don't realize how much ACA helps them. And the losers realize how much ACA hurts them.

This lends itself to the notion that ACA sucks balls being wildly accepted. But if it were to go away, there could a lot of people holding the bag, especially people ages 50-65. Who can't get coverage on the open market, and would pay higher premiums without ACA limits.

They were more likely to vote for trump.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67964 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:13 pm to
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the consequences of denying millions of Americans access to healthcare,


As our infamous poster Rex once told me when I voiced strong opposition to the individual mandate:

"tough shite really"
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
30897 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:15 pm to
Politically, this is a landmine for both sides.

First, Republicans don't want to have to suddenly revoke 11.3 million American citizens of healthcare without an alternative; but on the flip side, any delay will be seen by hard-line Republicans are backing away from a core election statement.

Democrats need to either fully let go of Obamacare (acknowledging it to the rest of the country that it was a failure), offer up a legitimate fix (that, as highly unlikely as it is, could take care of points from both sides), or staunchly defend it, for all it's warts and scars.

The BEST solution is to come up with either a transitory period, giving those who signed up for the ACA to find an alternative, OR a bipartisan solution to keep something akin to the ACA that is mutually acceptable to both sides.

Considering the current climate in Washington, ANYTHING being bipartisan, no matter what is best for the actual country, is highly unlikely.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50319 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:18 pm to
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and subsequently killing thousands




Yes. Thousands will be killed. Start taking names so you can present them to us on a daily basis.
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
21851 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:19 pm to
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Healthcare and health insurance are not the same things.



He's a "BamaAtl"; that kind of intellectual nuance is beyond his capabilities
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24795 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:19 pm to
At least we won't have to pass it to know what's in it.

Leftists had that crap written long before the dear leader took office.
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22775 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:25 pm to
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there are actually a ton of winners under ACA


You are greatly exaggerating. Patients with pre-existing conditions are winners, kids under 26 are winners, and the highest utilizers under the poverty line are winners.

The younger, healthier below poverty are now paying for a product they didn't previously desire. The middle class young and healthy are getting screwed like no one else. And the adult middle class is now paying more toward the cost of care than at any point in their lifetime.

You could scrap the entire damn thing with the exception of the "no denial for pre-existing conditions" and realize across the board improvement in every category but overall national coverage. I realize that is the "end all, be all" (i.e. access) according to certain people, but it's being gained at the expense of improved cost and lower quality. ANd the people actually paying for it think that's a flawed ideology.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9417 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:29 pm to
There's gonna be a lot of surprised Trump voters that get hit by a repeal of the ACA. Elections have consequences, as they say.
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