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re: Democrat wants House to 'immediately' return to diffuse North Korea threat
Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:21 pm to Rakim
Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:21 pm to Rakim
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"The president's words matter. And in this case, his words have been harmful," he continued.
I wonder if he was as concerned when Obama kept taking about his imaginary sons while stoking racial flames.
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:23 pm to indianswim
He needs a pussy hat to cover that eighthead.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:36 pm to Rakim
With a 2/3rds vote and support from SCOTUS, congress can do whatever the frick they want to.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:37 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
We didn't declare war on them, so I don't think this is correct. The US hasn't declared war since 1942.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:50 pm to AggieDub14
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With a 2/3rds vote and support from SCOTUS, congress can do whatever the frick they want to
You're not making any sense. The question is stopping the President from initiating military actions. He has that constitutional authority.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:52 pm to AggieDub14
UN authorized the War if I remember correctly. The war is still technically going on.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:58 pm to Rakim
Ryan should call them in and then do healthcare and taxes instead.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:19 pm to Rakim
quote:Even if I accepted the fact that Trump was incapable of handling this situation while he has the greatest military mind of our generation sitting right next to him, I'd still rather him be in charge than the idiots in Congress.
If the president will not diffuse this situation, then Congress must."
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:22 pm to Wildcat In Germany
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Why do some of you want war so badly?
Because it is more entertaining than the other shite on TV?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:27 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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We are still technically at war with NK and have been so since the 50's.
That war was never authorized by Congress. We entered per U.N. resolution. Old-right conservatives like Robert Taft and Howard Buffett opposed the war on the grounds that it was an undeclared and unconstitutional war.
People on here who claim to be conservatives and constitutionalists should absolutely be appalled by Executive-waged wars. The Constitution clearly gives Congress the right to declare war, and Congress should not abandon or cede said powers to the Executive. Our founders saw what happened to Europe when kings had unilateral war powers. The neoconservatives and Democratic hawks have successfully normalized the Unitary Executive theory into reality.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:27 pm to Rakim
It's a good idea, considering who the President is.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:30 pm to GumboPot
quote:not if they launch first
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Democrat wants House to 'immediately' return to diffuse North Korea threat by GumboPot
I'm a Trump supporter and before Trump goes to war with NK he needs authorization from congress.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:40 pm to Rakim
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The question is stopping the President from initiating military actions. He has that constitutional authority.
The War Powers Act was a legislative act of Congress. They can overturn it.
The Constitution states that the President is head of the armies but that Congress has the sole power to declare war. Pretty sure it doesn't give the President authority to start anything. If it did Congress wouldn't have needed to pass the War Powers Act.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:43 pm to VOLhalla
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The War Powers Act was a legislative act of Congress. They can overturn it.
Well, the Constitutionality of it has never been challenged, but neither has it been explicitly acknowledged by any chief executive (of either party) since passage.
And do you think they have enough votes to override a Presidential veto?
Because that's what it would take.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:54 pm to AggieDub14
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With a 2/3rds vote and support from SCOTUS, congress can do whatever the frick they want to.
With support of the Joint Chiefs the president can put a stop to that nonsense.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:54 pm to Ace Midnight
If I remember Con Law correctly most legal scholars think the Constitution gives the President unilateral authority to react to an invasion and defend the country, but anything beyond that would require Congressional approval. But the nature of warfare is so different now it would be interesting to hear a SC opinion on it.
But this will never pass. I doubt they even have the votes for a simple majority. A Republican voting in favor would be an enormous slap in the face to Trump.
But this will never pass. I doubt they even have the votes for a simple majority. A Republican voting in favor would be an enormous slap in the face to Trump.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:04 pm to VOLhalla
quote:They must have missed that course in Con Law over the past 8 years.
If I remember Con Law correctly most legal scholars think the Constitution gives the President unilateral authority to react to an invasion and defend the country, but anything beyond that would require Congressional approval. But the nature of warfare is so different now it would be interesting to hear a SC opinion on it.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:10 pm to Scruffy
Edited bc of your edit
The legal scholars I mentioned were discussing the powers given to the President in the Constitution, not through the War Powers Act
The legal scholars I mentioned were discussing the powers given to the President in the Constitution, not through the War Powers Act
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:12 pm to Rakim
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Interesting, we are technically still in a state of war with North Korea and that war was never voted on by Congress. Furthermore, you want to give away any room for surprise attack.
FACT
The Korean War has NEVER ended.
We are in a cease fire ATM
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:14 pm to VOLhalla
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The Constitution states that the President is head of the armies but that Congress has the sole power to declare war. Pretty sure it doesn't give the President authority to start anything. If it did Congress wouldn't have needed to pass the War Powers Act.
You are downvoted for wanting to obey the Constitution when it comes to warfare. Undeclared wars are cheered by folks like McCain and Graham for a reason: it is much easier for us to go to war when the decision rests in one person's hand. This board conveniently forgets that. If we go to war, Trump needs to channel Rand Paul, follow the damn Constitution and have Congress declare it.
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