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re: Dash cam video of Philando Castile killing
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:27 pm to the808bass
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:27 pm to the808bass
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So you're jerking your knee thinking that I think this was about race? Because I don't think it was about race.
I know you weren't talking to me...but to a certain degree I think race may have played a part in it. Like it or not, many cops have a predisposed notion that they are more likely to be killed by a black person than a white person. It's probably wrong, but that is the way it is.
And no. I am not saying it is right or good for them to feel that way.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:29 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Let me as you something YOu have a child in a room with a hot stove. you tell the child, do not touch the hot stove, it will burn you. THe child touches the stove and gets burned, who's mostly at fault?
Let's make the analogy more relevant. You walk into a room and your kid says, "I turned on the stove" but you don't know where the stove is. So you yell, "Don't touch the stove if you turned it on." And your kid says, "I'm not going to," while they continue moving. And you yell "Don't touch the stove" again as you take off your belt. And his sibling says,"He's not going to touch the stove." You're still unsure of where the stove actually is. Do you beat your child at this point?
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when a subject absolutely refuses to obey even the simplest of commands?
He didn't objectively disobey any commands.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:30 pm to DawgsLife
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but to a certain degree I think race may have played a part in it.
I agree. But it didn't drive the interaction. A white person of low socioeconomic status probably also gets shot in that situation.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:31 pm to the808bass
The thread was started by one of the biggest racist on this site. Then you want to come along and argue semantics. "Don't reach vs. Don't move". Castile was either too stupid or too stoned to understand simple orders. I don't think much of a man that rides around smoking weed or stoned with a child in the car. I simply do not care about people like that. White, black, yellow, or brown.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:32 pm to the808bass
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Let's make the analogy more relevant. You walk into a room and your kid says, "I turned on the stove" but you don't know where the stove is. So you yell, "Don't touch the stove if you turned it on." And your kid says, "I'm not going to," while they continue moving. And you yell "Don't touch the stove" again as you take off your belt. And his sibling says,"He's not going to touch the stove." You're still unsure of where the stove actually is. Do you beat your child at this point?
Well, now you've taken the analogy to the bizarre because I wouldn't beat my kid for touching a hot stove, but let's assume for the sake of argument that I would. So let's get more precise and say the kid started reaching in the general direction of the stove and kept reaching after I said "stop reaching" would I just ASSUME "no he's not gonna touch the stove and burn himself?" Of course I would not , I'd prevent him from even reaching in that general direction.
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He didn't objectively disobey any commands.
Please just stop with that nonsense. We both know "don't reach for it" yelled repeatedly means "stop fricking moving around"
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:33 pm to graves1
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Then you want to come along and argue semantics. "Don't reach vs. Don't move".
So you think Castile understood the officer and was reaching for his gun?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:34 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Please just stop with that nonsense. We both know "don't reach for it" yelled repeatedly means "stop fricking moving around"
No. It still doesn't.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:35 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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We both know "don't reach for it" yelled repeatedly means "stop fricking moving around"
The cop panicked and escalated the situation.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:35 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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So let's get more precise and say the kid started reaching in the general direction of the stove
No. Mine was more precise. The officer did not know where the gun was even after he shot him. It was in a foot-long pocket after Castile was dead. The officer only magically remembered knowing where it was in court.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:38 pm to the808bass
Cop yelling "Don't reach!" means don't reach. Don't reach for wallet. Don't reach for anything.
But lets flip this. Was he reaching for his gun to kill the cop? I asked you the other day and you ignored it. Because just like the cop and me. You don't know.
But lets flip this. Was he reaching for his gun to kill the cop? I asked you the other day and you ignored it. Because just like the cop and me. You don't know.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:40 pm to graves1
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Was he reaching for his gun to kill the cop?
No. Anyone with common sense knows this.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:42 pm to graves1
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Was he reaching for his gun to kill the cop? I asked you the other day and you ignored it. Because just like the cop and me. You don't know.
Was he reaching for his front or back pocket? Because his license was in his back pocket. His gun, without a round in the chamber, was in his front pocket.
Castile wasn't a violent criminal. He'd been pulled over 54 times, I believe for traffic violations. Maybe he had a false sense of security from dealing with the police so often.
He pulled over. He surrendered his insurance card. He informed the officer he had a gun.
Given all that information, what is the likelihood? Shooting the cop or getting out his license? I'll put 99 to 1 on getting out his license.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Well, at least y'all have moved off the incorrect point of him legally carrying the firearm.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:46 pm to StrongSafety
Just saw the video today...My thoughts are as follows:
1. A man is dead for a busted tail light.
2. Regardless of what Castile did or didn't do, the officer who fired endangered the passenger of the car and his partner by firing into the driver side of the car.
3. The officer didn't warn his partner of the gun.
4. The officer didn't give Castile directions on what to do when told of the gun (ie put your hands on the wheel etc).
Overall, the officer protected and served the hell out of Castile and was obviously in over his head on dealing with tense situations.
1. A man is dead for a busted tail light.
2. Regardless of what Castile did or didn't do, the officer who fired endangered the passenger of the car and his partner by firing into the driver side of the car.
3. The officer didn't warn his partner of the gun.
4. The officer didn't give Castile directions on what to do when told of the gun (ie put your hands on the wheel etc).
Overall, the officer protected and served the hell out of Castile and was obviously in over his head on dealing with tense situations.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:the cop did exactly what I would have done. There are plenty of dash cam videos of a cop walking up to car for a traffic stop and getting his head blown off 2 seconds later. If I'm a cop and someone tells me they have a gun and then they continue to reach for it after I tell them not to repeatedly, they are getting blown away. The cops main priority is and should be to get home each night. The fact that this dumbass pothead was driving around with a gun, a kid in the back, too high to follow clear instructions from a cop is on him. He's dead and it's his own fault for being a complete retard. This is what being too stupid to live looks like.
The cop panicked and escalated the situation.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:50 pm to the808bass
The cop didn't know everything in the mans car. Didn't know there was not a round in the chamber. All the cop knows is there is a gun. Do not reach.
And all violent criminals started out non-violent.
The point still remains. We don't know if he was going to pull his gun and shoot the cop. And 99 to 1 still leaves the 1 percent chance he was going to pull his gun.
And all violent criminals started out non-violent.
The point still remains. We don't know if he was going to pull his gun and shoot the cop. And 99 to 1 still leaves the 1 percent chance he was going to pull his gun.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:50 pm to narddogg81
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This is what being too stupid to live looks like.
We've added you to the list.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:51 pm to graves1
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The point still remains. We don't know if he was going to pull his gun and shoot the cop. And 99 to 1 still leaves the 1 percent chance he was going to pull his gun.
So a 1% chance is enough to justifiably kill someone, just to clarify.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:52 pm to graves1
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The cop didn't know everything in the mans car. Didn't know there was not a round in the chamber. All the cop knows is there is a gun. Do not reach.
Yeah, but all the experts here know that now so who cares what the officer knew then, right guys?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:53 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Yeah, but all the experts here know that now so who cares what the officer knew then, right guys?
This board loves it some Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
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