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Cutting budgets at federal agencies without cutting the laws will be bad for the economy
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:32 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:32 am
No one here wants smaller government more than me. That said, it is foolish to cut the budget of the EPA and other agencies without cutting the work they are mandated to do.
For example my company has to by law submit different applications to the EPA for approval. It already takes 8 months for answer. If Trump cut their budget without ending the laws that require these applications my business will only be hampered.
Most of what the EPA does should be eliminated but leaving the laws in place while cutting the number of people in place to carry out the law is not very smart.
For example my company has to by law submit different applications to the EPA for approval. It already takes 8 months for answer. If Trump cut their budget without ending the laws that require these applications my business will only be hampered.
Most of what the EPA does should be eliminated but leaving the laws in place while cutting the number of people in place to carry out the law is not very smart.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 11:46 am
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:37 am to I B Freeman
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For example my company
So you're a typical democrat bitching about a law because it effects you personally rather than how it effects the country as a whole? Now laws are meant to service the different, specific needs of individual people?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:39 am to I B Freeman
Before everyone slams Freeman here, he's right.
We already have this problem at state and local levels. Does the phrase "unfunded mandate" ring a bell?
We pass all these laws then don't provide adequate funding to cover them.
In Texas we're considering a cap on property tax increases. Never mind that counties (who get nearly ALL their funding from property taxes) have a myriad of duties (roads and bridges, vital statistics, court systems--though the judges themselves are independent, the costs run through the county budget, indigent defense for defendants, law enforcement outside city limits and maintaining county jails) mandated by state law.
We already have this problem at state and local levels. Does the phrase "unfunded mandate" ring a bell?
We pass all these laws then don't provide adequate funding to cover them.
In Texas we're considering a cap on property tax increases. Never mind that counties (who get nearly ALL their funding from property taxes) have a myriad of duties (roads and bridges, vital statistics, court systems--though the judges themselves are independent, the costs run through the county budget, indigent defense for defendants, law enforcement outside city limits and maintaining county jails) mandated by state law.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 11:40 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:40 am to Midget Death Squad
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So you're a typical democrat bitching
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Now laws are meant to service the different, specific needs of individual people?
no you mental midget.
If tomorrow there was a federal drivers license requirement and you had to apply for that license once a year and the President fired all the people the that issued that license would that be smart???
The point is he should attack the regulations that require the number of people working in these agencies and not just the budget of the agency.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:42 am to I B Freeman
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I B Freeman
He is cutting stupid regulations. At the rate they were going, with out stopping it...they would make it illegal to use your fireplace, grill out...they were already going after motorsports. They deserve to be small on the federal level and left to the states.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:43 am to I B Freeman
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No one here wants smaller government more than me.
You say this, but then you say -
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it is foolish to cut the budget of the EPA and other agencies without cutting the work they are mandated to do.
So you really only want the government to be smaller where YOU want it smaller.
Good to know.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:43 am to I B Freeman
It is standard conservative doctrine to cut budget without reducing mission scope. This is why conservatives are by and large full of shite in their complaints about government inefficiencies. Their policies exacerbate failure
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:43 am to I B Freeman
op correct and a good point
cuts that feel good when announced can backfire, especially when we ask too much of the agencies being cut already, while also subjecting them to all kinds of bureaucracy that hinders their effectiveness already
cuts that feel good when announced can backfire, especially when we ask too much of the agencies being cut already, while also subjecting them to all kinds of bureaucracy that hinders their effectiveness already
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:44 am to Tigerdev
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It is standard conservative doctrine to cut budget without reducing mission scope.
As opposed to inflating the budget without increasing "mission scope?"
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:45 am to AU_Right
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He is cutting stupid regulations
He can only cut administrative regulation. It takes Congress to remove that actual laws that enable the regulations.
AGAIN---no one here wants smaller government than me but you can't tell the American citizens you have to follow this law and then remove the friggin administrative people that are required for the citizens to comply with the law.
He needs to call on Congress to repeal a LOT of laws.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:45 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Conservatives are in charge of the entire federal government. Time to nut up and stop making excuses.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:46 am to Ace Midnight
quote:I think you're just describing minarchism?
So you really only want the government to be smaller where YOU want it smaller.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:47 am to Tigerdev
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Conservatives are in charge of the entire federal government. Time to nut up and stop making excuses.
EXACTLY!!
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:48 am to Iosh
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I think you're just describing minarchism?
Insofar as I understand the term, I did not intend that description.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:50 am to Tigerdev
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Conservatives are in charge of the entire federal government.
Incorrect.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:52 am to Ace Midnight
How did you read what I posted and come to that conclusion???
I want it to be smaller everywhere. Smaller mean less laws regulating everybody.
If tomorrow Trump cuts the IRS budget 50% and it takes two years to get your refund are you going to be happy?
Wouldn't you be much happier if he and Congress changed the tax law so that the IRS only needed half it's budget?
I want it to be smaller everywhere. Smaller mean less laws regulating everybody.
If tomorrow Trump cuts the IRS budget 50% and it takes two years to get your refund are you going to be happy?
Wouldn't you be much happier if he and Congress changed the tax law so that the IRS only needed half it's budget?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:52 am to I B Freeman
Generally agree.
BUT you have to start somewhere. AND Trump does seem to want to reduce regulation.
BUT you have to start somewhere. AND Trump does seem to want to reduce regulation.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:53 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Whatever happens over the next couple years will be a referendum on american conservatism. Can they actually govern or are they just a highly effective opposition party?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:55 am to Tigerdev
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Whatever happens over the next couple years will be a referendum on american conservatism.
Only if the uninformed masses make it so.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:55 am to I B Freeman
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If tomorrow Trump cuts the IRS budget 50% and it takes two years to get your refund are you going to be happy?
No problem with it.
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Wouldn't you be much happier if he and Congress changed the tax law so that the IRS only needed half it's budget?
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Take small wins, build some momentum, then get the big wins. Doing nothing at all is a turn off.
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