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re: Curious, what was the justification in getting the Manafort wire tap?

Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:33 pm to
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50285 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:33 pm to
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Fill me in lefties.


You really want opinions from people who cheered Obama using the IRS to attack political opponents?

Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:45 pm to
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You really want opinions from people who cheered Obama using the IRS to attack political opponents?


Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21411 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:48 pm to
Since the head of the FBI and CIA swore he wasn't wiretapped by them, it had better not be.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48303 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:55 pm to
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Per Fortune magazine. quote: The surveillance, which included wiretapping, searches, and other types of observation, reportedly began in 2014, when Manafort was the subject of an investigation into work done by a group of Washington consulting firms for the former ruling party of Ukraine.


Which is strange because the DNC admitted to colluding with the Ukraine.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48303 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:56 pm to
Anyone who uses the phrase "whataboutism" outs themselves as a hypocrite and unable to engage in honest debate. It shines a light on your willingness to be disingenuous.

Anyone who adds a laughing emoticon to the "whataboutism" whine outs themself as an idiot.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 4:58 pm
Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:06 pm to
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Anyone who adds a laughing emoticon to the "whataboutism" whine outs themself as an idiot.
I'd say that anyone who blames all progressives for those IRS audits is outing themselves as an idiot.

ETA: I was pissed about that alleged IRS abuse, too, until I found out it's bullshite according to Trump's own DOJ.

Here's another ROFL for ya.

This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 5:16 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48303 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:17 pm to
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I'd say that anyone who blames all progressives for those IRS audits is outing themselves as an idiot.


It wasn't audits. It was denial of form 1023 applications. How can you call anyone an idiot, when you have zero clue what you are talking about?


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until I found out it's bullshite according to Trump's own DOJ.


I guess you missed the IRS admitting and apologizing. The article you linked just says they won't be pursuing criminal prosecution against Lerner. How can you be this slow?

Like I said. You have outted yourself.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 5:20 pm
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:25 pm to
All wonderful stuff. The FISA is used very narrowly. What did he do that brought him under this form of national security surveillance? I will hang up and listen.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:28 pm to
The FISA is supposed to be used very narrowly....
Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:32 pm to
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I guess you missed the IRS admitting and apologizing.
So you're saying that lefties' comments about Paul Manafort are irrelevant because the IRS apologized to someone who has nothing to do with Paul Manafort.

What the actual F?




Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9902 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:41 pm to
Bonds, you seem grumpy, man. I know your "Mueller must not be investigating obstruction or else he'd be recusing" and "D's > R's indictment" theories aren't looking so good right now, but anything can happen.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48303 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:45 pm to
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Mueller must not be investigating obstruction or else he'd be recusin


Mueller, by all accounts, is not investigating obstruction. I'm confused by your post insinuating otherwise.

Indictments by party remains to be seen.

I'm not grumpy. I just like to point out when someone posts authoritatively from a position of complete ignorance. He just seems to be the poster that does it most often.

As a recovering tax attorney...ignorance about the service stand out to me. His ignorance about the IRS just floored me.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 5:48 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48303 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:47 pm to
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So you're saying that lefties' comments about Paul Manafort are irrelevant because the IRS apologized to someone who has nothing to do with Paul Manafort.


What the frick? All I said was your claim the IRS targeting story was BS was....well BS. The IRS admitted and apologized for targeting conservatives. Where you tie that to Manafort I don't know.

Are you drunk?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:52 pm to
What was the justification for clapper to baldfaced lie about it?

The collection of scum obama put in charge of the intel agencies + FBI is really quite astounding. Who knows what else they did that we will never hear about?
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:00 pm to
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what was the justification in getting the Manafort wire tap?


Drawing inferences from the facts being reported, the FISC would have found probable cause that Manafort was an agent of a foreign power.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:06 pm to
Nope, not narrow at all, it's a nexus standard
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:06 pm to
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Drawing inferences from the facts being reported, the FISC would have found probable cause that Manafort was an agent of a foreign power.
Yeah, okay
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39452 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:06 pm to
They must have wire tapped the shite out of their own people if that's the threshold.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:08 pm to
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Yeah, okay


Well I'm pretty much paraphrasing the statute assuming the facts being reported are accurate.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:59 pm to
My left wingers who want every criminal everywhere to get off on the slightest technical detail suddenly become arch law and order stalwarts during a political show trial.


very Maoist
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