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Crazy stuff going on with the verdict in the Jessica Chambers murder trial.

Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:32 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:32 pm
The CTH is following it. It's just crazy.

LINK

Probably going to be a mistrial.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95745 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:36 pm to
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Not guilty verdict announced
Polling showed 7 of 12 voted guilty, so sent back to deliberate
Identities of jurors revealed


What a shite show
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118839 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:42 pm to
I believe the accused is already guilty of murder in Louisiana.
Posted by Sunbeam
Member since Dec 2016
2612 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:55 pm to
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Rundown-

Not guilty verdict announced
Polling showed 7 of 12 voted guilty, so sent back to deliberate
Identities of jurors revealed


What a shite show


It's the future of the United States. Which means it's not workable frankly. You have to have a citizenry that actually believes in the system and is willing to make a bit of sacrifice for it to make it work.

Instead we are going to have a situation where people are loyal to their own identity groups, which are inevitably going to be racial, at least most of them.

I'd dearly love to see an analysis of the results of jury trials, based on the ethnicity of the defendants and the makeup of the jury.

In particular I'd like to know the conviction rate of a black defendant in a case involving a white victim, with a majority black jury.

My hunch is that it will be a shocking number. Of course if we have any legal eagles here, well you can pull some data and tell me I am FOS.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79177 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:18 pm to
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I believe the accused is already guilty of murder in Louisiana.


I didn't think they had the trial in LA. They just shipped him to MS after he pled not guilty in LA.
Posted by BradPitt
Where the wild things are
Member since Nov 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:22 pm to
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Instead we are going to have a situation where people are loyal to their own identity groups, which are inevitably going to be racial, at least most of them. 


This.
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
6936 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:27 pm to
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Instead we are going to have a situation where people are loyal to their own identity groups, which are inevitably going to be racial, at least most of them. 


I would have more in common with a black, Asian, Russian, Muslim or any other group of my general economic class than I would with a trailer park trash who knows what time and a half but has never gotten a quarterly bonus and is the same race as me.

People align in strange ways. Seems like you think skin color determines...what?
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:34 pm to
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Instead we are going to have a situation where people are loyal to their own identity groups, which are inevitably going to be racial, at least most of them.



Future tense? It's already this way and it didn't recently become this way. Considering the history and demographics of the US, I find it very very unlikely that it will ever be different here. That shouldn't have mattered too much, considering the structure of the republic. But now, instead of several independent states tied together loosely by a small fed, its a giant fed consisting of vassal states and territories completely beholden to it. This current structure is not well suited for the diversity of demographics and cultures within it. In fact, it's making quirky differences into politically hardline issues that has and will continue to produce violent conflicts. Everyone is fighting over the big stick that is the federal power center.

Secession and passive resistance to the fed is the only path to a more amicable society in which the many subgroups can operate independently and with minimal conflict.

Of course everyone will deny this, because they've been taught that somehow a skycloth is going to unite these groups into a single state under one central political structure. Which is not going to happen. Now, or ever.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53014 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:39 pm to
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I would have more in common with a black, Asian, Russian, Muslim or any other group of my general economic class than I would with a trailer park trash who knows what time and a half but has never gotten a quarterly bonus and is the same race as me

You libbies always say stuff like this but what are your chances of getting shot walking around at night in a trailer park vs north Baton Rouge vs a sharia zone in Michigan or London?

Give me the white people 100% of the time
Posted by Sunbeam
Member since Dec 2016
2612 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:48 pm to
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You libbies always say stuff like this but what are your chances of getting shot walking around at night in a trailer park vs north Baton Rouge vs a sharia zone in Michigan or London?


What's really scary is that you are safer in a sharia zone than North Baton Rouge. Or Detroit, or Birmingham, or Memphis, or...

What has Europe freaked out, the rapes, the terror killings, the people with axes, even -

Doesn't hold a candle to what the US calls NORMAL.

Think about that. You have to find a place with deeply entrenched drug gangs fighting for total control to get numbers that surpass ours. And with that, one side wins for a while, and things go back to a normal that is less violent than ours. Till next time at least.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56532 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:50 pm to
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Give me the white people 100% of the time



If you were black, you'd pick the trailer park.
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
6936 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:52 pm to
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You libbies always say stuff like this but what are your chances of getting shot walking around at night in a trailer park vs north Baton Rouge vs a sharia zone in Michigan or London? 


Are you serious Clark?

Michigan and London Muslim dense areas are mostly high economic groups. The poor Muslims in the U.K. are drifting towards Wales. Do you have any clue how expensive London is?

Trailer trash from baton rouge are far more likely to be violent.

But you don't want reality I guess.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140541 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:54 pm to
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People align in strange ways.


Indeed. The DNC National Convention was awkward as hell with all their identity politics.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53014 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 4:06 pm to
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Michigan and London Muslim dense areas are mostly high economic groups. The poor Muslims in the U.K. are drifting towards Wales. Do you have any clue how expensive London is?

Look at little lord Fauntleroy over here knowing about Muslim migration patterns in England. Chip chip cheerio old chap

Sorry I have a job and can't go study Muslims in England like tarzans dad or something
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118839 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 4:08 pm to
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I didn't think they had the trial in LA. They just shipped him to MS after he pled not guilty in LA.




You are right.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35406 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 4:19 pm to
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Rundown-

Not guilty verdict announced
Polling showed 7 of 12 voted guilty, so sent back to deliberate
Identities of jurors revealed


What a shite show
Wow. How the hell does the jury not know that it has to be a unanimous decision! Wow.

Btw, I think there is plenty of reasonable doubt.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33006 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 4:23 pm to
They were told it had to be a unanimous decision. They didn't know the definition of "unanimous."

Seriously.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43337 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 4:24 pm to
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Wow. How the hell does the jury not know that it has to be a unanimous decision! Wow.


Because the average citizen in the US is completely clueless about basic civic responsibility. It's why this country is the shitshow it is.



This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 4:25 pm
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
19033 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 4:25 pm to
Note to all DA’s in America, circumstantial evidence doesn’t fly with most juries in this day in age. They take that reasonable doubt thing seriously.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35406 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 4:31 pm to
Declared a mistrial

Btw, here is a strange story about the sheriff or judge giving a reporter some stalks of cotton, and a news producer getting the boot. LINK
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