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re: Chief WH Troll Bannon: I'd prefer if only property owners could vote
Posted on 11/28/16 at 4:34 pm to dcrews
Posted on 11/28/16 at 4:34 pm to dcrews
I mean secretly people like it because it disenfranchises predominantly younger and urban voters who would be the remaining liberal voters under this system.
Actually admitting that though would make it even more blatantly obvious that this is just a circle wank about ensuring their preferred party wins.
FWIW I don't disagree that tax payers have more skin in the game and make better voters, but everyone jumping through hoops to cut out voters they disagree with is just funny to me.
Actually admitting that though would make it even more blatantly obvious that this is just a circle wank about ensuring their preferred party wins.
FWIW I don't disagree that tax payers have more skin in the game and make better voters, but everyone jumping through hoops to cut out voters they disagree with is just funny to me.
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 4:45 pm to joshnorris14
I agree.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 4:46 pm to joshnorris14
Sounds great to me...
Posted on 11/28/16 at 4:49 pm to joshnorris14
YES
Posted on 11/28/16 at 4:57 pm to joshnorris14
I concur 100%. In fact, it should be male property owners only.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:04 pm to joshnorris14
I prefer just if you pay income taxes you can vote.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:19 pm to joshnorris14
quote:
Viewing the subject in its merits alone, the freeholders [that is, landowners] of the country would be the safest depositories of republican liberty.
In future times the great majority of the people will not only be without landed, but any other sort of property. These will either combine under the influence of their common situation, in which case the rights of property and the public liberty will not be secure in their hands; or, which is more probable, they will become the tools of opulence and ambition, in which case there will be equal danger on another side.
James Madison
August 7, 1787
Just sayin'...
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:21 pm to deltaland
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I prefer just if you pay income taxes you can vote.
This is never going to happen since most wealthy people live off their investments and not income.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:22 pm to joshnorris14
So do you think bannon would include intellectual property as an eligible criteria?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:33 pm to mahdragonz
There just aren't that many good ways to limit voting to serious voters and remove fraud without double and triple checks for voting machines, regularly maintaining voter registration records (and auditing them) and requiring an ID.
Limiting voting rights based on land ownership is very problematic given our culture and you can't base it on taxes without getting very complex on what kind of tax should be considered and who is paying what.
Limiting voting rights based on land ownership is very problematic given our culture and you can't base it on taxes without getting very complex on what kind of tax should be considered and who is paying what.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:38 pm to Lakeboy7
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What is defined as property?
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Someone that has title to their property
You didn't answer my question. What kind of property. Real estate is not the only thing defined as property. Does a person that owns his car, which is described as property, have a right to vote also?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:44 pm to Homesick Tiger
A lot of trumpettes and clintonistas who own property voted, so I fail to see why property ownership is some symbol of intellectual ability ...
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:57 pm to Lakeboy7
I'm guessing that you've never owned real property, because that's not how it works. Whether you pay cash or finance, title is vested via deed. The only difference is, if you finance, a mortgage document is filed, constituting a lien. Ownership interest is the same, whether financed or not. You don't get a title like with personal property.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 7:47 pm to Lakeboy7
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Absolutely support, ownership evidenced by title, which means you own your property outright. All you frickers financing a doublewide cant vote.
The richest guy I know rents an apartment in Manhattan for like 20k a month. So he doesn't get to vote?
Well, that's one less GOP voter, because he is also the biggest GOP guy I know (great guy though).
Posted on 11/28/16 at 7:57 pm to dcrews
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quote: I agree with him What do you do with people who pay large amounts of taxes, but don't own property?
Plenty of people who pay taxes now can't vote..
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:10 pm to dcrews
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The problem I personally have with this (highly unlikely scenario) is, I don't own "property" (at least not any real estate), but I pay a good bit in taxes every year.
If my right to vote gets taken away just because I don't own property, I had better not see another single penny taken out of my paycheck for taxes ever again.
ETA: Assuming you don't pay taxes if you don't get to vote, that means home owner's taxes start sky rocketing and you have de-incentivized owning property.
I'd take it even further. You should also be exempt from any laws other than ones governing violent crime or theft.
Individual mandate shouldn't apply. Drug laws shouldn't apply. Prostitution laws shouldn't apply. (Shouldn't anyway, but in this system you had no say in the laws.)
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:20 pm to slackster
It still does not tell you much. Trump had a lot of support from people hardest hit by the housing bubble - in other words, people who lost their homes. Doubtful that people in those higher brackets lost homes, and most of those people probably live in the major urban areas of Florida that supported Clinton. The middle class less affected by the housing crisis may not have been as angry at the establishment so a disproportionate amount of the Trump support could be renters. But, who knows.
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