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Posted on 8/21/17 at 10:56 pm to northshorebamaman
Meant a couple hundred artillery troops, or a couple artillery battalions
Yes it's all been tried before. the killing has never been an issue though, just occupation.
Yes it's all been tried before. the killing has never been an issue though, just occupation.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 8/21/17 at 10:56 pm to Lsuchs
quote:So what?
Additional 4000 right? Even 4 SEAL or SF squadrons lead to an exponential increase in fire power when running FID rather than DA Ops. A couple hundred artillery battalions and to support them and its a lot of firepower IMO
We shouldn't be there and there is zero good outcome of this.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 10:59 pm to Scruffy
quote:
So what?
I was answering what 4000 troops could do, not whether they should be there.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 10:59 pm to Lsuchs
Ah, gotcha.
Sorry.
Sorry.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:00 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
16 years
$1 Trillion
20k casualties
Rinse repeat
Same pig in a new dress
No big deal at all
$1 Trillion
20k casualties
Rinse repeat
Same pig in a new dress
No big deal at all
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:04 pm to Lsuchs
If accurate, the 4000 number leads me to believe it will be a BCT. I doubt SOF numbers are included.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:07 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
If accurate, the 4000 number leads me to believe it will be a BCT. I doubt SOF numbers are included.
The number might not include them, but they will be there. SOF will increase proportionally along with regular troops
I'm not trying to change your opinion on whether we should be there, I don't even have my own opinion set in stone right now. Just saying the extra troops will absolutely make a dent if the intended outcome is to kill rather than occupy
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:13 pm to Lsuchs
Right, I'm just saying they likely aren't included in the 4000.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:17 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
If it is 4000 I just don't understand the point.
its not
4000 was a pregame guess
Generals have carte blanche.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:20 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
Right, I'm just saying they likely aren't included in the 4000.
I have no idea.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 1:39 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Go big or go home
Posted on 8/22/17 at 1:42 am to Lsuchs
quote:Maybe they shouldn't. This has been a SOF war since the beginning and we're obviously not winning.
The number might not include them, but they will be there. SOF will increase proportionally along with regular troops
Posted on 8/22/17 at 1:51 am to Lsuchs
quote:Seals have zero business leading an Afghan infantry battalion
16 SF/seals can train and lead hundreds of Afghan troops, including provide recon and intel.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 2:05 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Yeah, I just skipped over that.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 2:07 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
Seals have zero business leading an Afghan infantry battalion
What makes you say that?
Because every SOCOM assets can and has. It's SFs speciality while SEALS are more Direct action but they all do both.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 2:10 am to northshorebamaman
quote:
Yeah, I just skipped over that.
FID (Foreign Internal Defense)
quote:
FID involves military deployment of counter-insurgency specialists. According to the US doctrinal manual, those specialists preferably do not themselves fight the insurgents.[1] Doctrine calls for a close working relationship between the HN government and security forces
Navyseals.com
quote:
Navy SEALs are called on to perform missions of strategic importance to the United States. Including the following:
Foreign Internal Defense: Training Allies
Training and assisting foreign counterparts to increase their capacity to respond to threats.
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 3:02 am
Posted on 8/22/17 at 2:10 am to Lsuchs
quote:
Because every SOCOM assets can and has. It's SFs speciality while SEALS are more Direct action but they all do both.
You are wasting an asset if SEALS are leading an Afghan light infantry battalion.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 2:11 am to Lsuchs
Why use SEALs when we have people custom built for that mission?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 2:14 am to jonboy
If I made it sound like seals leading a charge with a bunch of rebels behind them I apologize. It's more leading from the rear and supporting them
But I disagree about it being a waste. It can turn a bunch of locals into a functioning force. They are trained by SOF, missions are planned and directed by SOF, and SOF support them while trying to stay out of the combat directly. Sometimes they can get involved
This is not the SEALS specialty but it is a role. It's SFs specialty
It can turn 16 guns into 100 while also not costing American lives.
Delta get the most involved. They are out there running and gunning with the locals regularly
But I disagree about it being a waste. It can turn a bunch of locals into a functioning force. They are trained by SOF, missions are planned and directed by SOF, and SOF support them while trying to stay out of the combat directly. Sometimes they can get involved
This is not the SEALS specialty but it is a role. It's SFs specialty
It can turn 16 guns into 100 while also not costing American lives.
Delta get the most involved. They are out there running and gunning with the locals regularly
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 2:23 am
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