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re: CBO: Repealing the ACA will leave 32M Uninsured and Double Premiums by 2026
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:13 pm to Hawkeye95
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:13 pm to Hawkeye95
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the insurance companies didn't have to offer you coverage though. They could decline you for pre-existing conditions.
In my day, we called that insurance.
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:13 pm to Hawkeye95
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the insurance companies didn't have to offer you coverage though. They could decline you for pre-existing conditions.
And?
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:14 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
That wasn't fair. You should be allowed to foist a known, already incurred peril on a group of other people even if you never paid into that pool before.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:14 pm to BamaAtl
If health care is a Constitutional right can I sue when government run health care makes my condition worse?
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:15 pm to Hawkeye95
but they did, in fact they contacted me when I put my two weeks notice in to offer coverage. So, to say it didn't happen prior to ACA is false.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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And?
full trail.
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Actually, I did leave my job to start my own business and you can carry the insurance over until the next enrollment period. Problem solved.
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obamacare enables you to do this, who knows what happens without obamacare.
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I did it long before Obamacare.
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the insurance companies didn't have to offer you coverage though. They could decline you for pre-existing conditions.
aristo was claiming that you could quit your job and still retain insurance, which is not true for everyone prior to aca. It might have worked for him, but it was not the law.
This post was edited on 1/17/17 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:17 pm to Hawkeye95
No, I get the flow of the discussion.
I'm just wondering why you think that's a bad thing.
I'm just wondering why you think that's a bad thing.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:17 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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DisplacedBuckeye
We're not rehashing this again, but you're wrong as usual.
The groups I mentioned pre-ACA were able to be denied insurance plans through no fault of planning of their own.
That's fact, no matter how much you're going to try to convince the simpletons on here that it's not.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:17 pm to Aristo
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but they did, in fact they contacted me when I put my two weeks notice in to offer coverage. So, to say it didn't happen prior to ACA is false.
Yes, for you, but they didn't have to. You could quit your job and still not get insurance on the open market.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:18 pm to BamaAtl
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The groups I mentioned pre-ACA were able to be denied insurance plans through no fault of planning of their own.
That's fact, no matter how much you're going to try to convince the simpletons on here that it's not.
False.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:20 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'm just wondering why you think that's a bad thing.
Its short sighted. We have to address the pre-existing condition issue. Otherwise, they will just be on medicaid in the end and we pay for it.
I would disagree that there are only two ways to solve it though.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:20 pm to BamaAtl
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CBO: Repealing the ACA will leave 32M Uninsured and Double Premiums by 2026
gullible. Remember when "the sequester" was going to leave people dying in the streets?Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:22 pm to Hawkeye95
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We have to address the pre-existing condition issue.
An incredibly small subset of the population. There was no need to frick up the entire market with a system that doesn't even help those people.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:24 pm to BamaAtl
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We're not rehashing this again, but you're wrong as usual.
We never hashed it out the first time around because, as usual, you bolted.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:24 pm to Hawkeye95
When you quit your job, your insurance doesn't drop, maybe the rate, but not the insurance.
Basically your argument is we should keep ACA because it helps a very small percentage of people who quit their jobs to start a business, but it still hurts millions of middle and lower class tax payers. Am I reading into that correctly?
Basically your argument is we should keep ACA because it helps a very small percentage of people who quit their jobs to start a business, but it still hurts millions of middle and lower class tax payers. Am I reading into that correctly?
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:25 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:COBRA law requiring continuation of benefits to qualified employees existed prior to Obamacare.
aristo was claiming that you could quit your job and still retain insurance, which is not true for everyone prior to aca.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:25 pm to Hawkeye95
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Otherwise, they will just be on medicaid in the end and we pay for it.
What many here don't seem to realize. You're going to pay for these people either way. Better to do it up front, where it's cheaper (and is the more humane method).
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I would disagree that there are only two ways to solve it though.
Go on....
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:26 pm to Hawkeye95
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We have to address the pre-existing condition issue.
Sure, but only to a certain extent, and the ACA is not required to do so.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:26 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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We never hashed it out the first time
If you had a pre-existing condition pre-ACA, you could legally be denied insurance. Such pre-existing conditions could come about through no 'fault' of your own.
Furthermore, the high risk pools set up starting in the 70s to address these people were chronically underfunded, with huge waiting lists. They are not a solution.
Which of those statements do you disagree with, and why? Be specific, provide examples and links to support your assertions.
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