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joshnorris14
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Read Adam Smith and you will learn why it is not exploitation


Adam Smith shouldn't be read. He brings nothing to the table save for a ridiculous theory of value. Read Bastiat instead.


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WildTchoupitoulas
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Marx never wrote anything about subjugating people under a totalitarian regime and eliminating anyone capable of challenging it

Well, except that the dictatorship of the proletariat was to be the intermediary phase from capitalism to the workers' utopia:

Now as for myself, I do not claim to have discovered either the existence of classes in modern society or the struggle between them. Long before me, bourgeois historians had described the historical development of this struggle between the classes, as had bourgeois economists their economic anatomy. My own contribution was 1. to show that the existence of classes is merely bound up with certain historical phases in the development of production; 2. that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat;[1] 3. that this dictatorship itself constitutes no more than a transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.
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UncleFestersLegs
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re: Capitalism is the Exploitation of Man by Man.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with a benevolent dictatorship...should ever one of those be found. I was more concerned with how 7 million dead Ukrainian farmers represented Marxist ideals.


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Personally, I don't see anything wrong with a benevolent dictatorship

It's the best form of government. The only problem is the transfer of power at the end. There's no guarantee it will continue with the next in power.


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Capitalism is the Exploitation of Man by Man.


CarrolltonTiger
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I was more concerned with how 7 million dead Ukrainian farmers represented Marxist ideals.


If you were in parts of Europe you could get in trouble by exaggerating the number of Famine deaths, some view that as a diminishment of the horror of the Holocaust and thus a form of Holocaust denial.

BBTAIM Lenin believed the Kulaks among others were representatives of the bourgeoise, belonging to a class destined to extinction, by "Marx's Scientific laws" of history, and their elimination was justified as simply nudging the course of history along. It also enabled the Soviets to raise hard currency for industrialization by selling grain abroad while the non-persons were eliminated, thus advancing the industrialization of the prolitariat.


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NC_Tigah
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Capitalism is the Exploitation of Man by Man.



moneyg, he also said . . . Communism is the exploitation of man by man, capitalism is the opposite..




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DawgfaninCa
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re: Capitalism is the Exploitation of Man by Man.
You just hate capitalism because you don't have the intellectual ability to be able to come up with an idea or product that can make a dollar.

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LSUisLIFE6
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re: Capitalism is the Exploitation of Man by Man.
In economics exploitation is simply paying a man less than the amount that he produces. By that definition, then yes it is exploitation.


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In economics exploitation is simply paying a man less than the amount that he produces. By that definition, then yes it is exploitation.


Which can be applied to any system of politics or economics.

Fact.


Hugo Stiglitz
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In economics exploitation is simply paying a man less than the amount that he produces. By that definition, then yes it is exploitation.




Which can be applied to any system of politics or economics.

Fact.




Glad to see some people get it.


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CarrolltonTiger
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In economics exploitation is simply paying a man less than the amount that he produces. By that definition, then yes it is exploitation.


Who gets to determine the value of mans production?

Should different people during the same job get different pay because of the difference in value as workers?

Does the worker bare any risk if it turns out his work was not worth what he was paid?

How does one do this in a realistic manner other than through the market?

How does your economics handle such issues?


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CITWTT
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re: Capitalism is the Exploitation of Man by Man.
Geezum!! Name all of the benvolent dictators throughout human history for us to see.


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conservativewifeymom
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I strongly disagree because, when I was growing up in communist Romania, there was a joke going around that is truer than it seems: "Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man, and socialism/communism is the other way around." I'll take capitalism any time, any day!


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90proofprofessional
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has anyone defined exploitation since the op?


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Roaad
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Swap capitalism for "the Free Market", and I agree.


Explain.


If someone is exploited in a free market system, it is because they allow it. When government interferes with regulation and reduces or eliminates competition, then so does the people's ability to choose and thus they are more apt to be exploited.


Exploitation drums up images of sweatshops and slavery. It's not a negative term, but a term of utility.

It's really simple:

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ex·ploi·ta·tion [ek-sploi-tey-shuhn]
noun

1.
use or utilization, especially for profit: the exploitation of newly discovered oil fields.

2.
selfish utilization: He got ahead through the exploitation of his friends.

3.
the combined, often varied, use of public-relations and advertising techniques to promote a person, movie, product, etc.


When I sell a good, I am exploiting the good. . .and all labor involved. I am also exploiting the consumer.

The consumer is exploiting the system by bargain hunting.

I exploit soap to get clean.

Government exploits it's citizens through taxation. . .and other countries through various political and military means.

If you exploit something in a negative way, it is negative. And the converse is equally true.
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Taxing Authority
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re: Capitalism is the Exploitation of Man by Man.
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Capitalism is the Exploitation of Man by Man.

Anyone disagree with this?
This is absurdity.

You want to see exploitation? Look no further than the idea that a slim minority should be pillaged to the benefit of the many. IE "the rich" should be exploited to pay for the expenses of the masses. THAT is the definition of exploitation.

Capitalism occurs when two people agree on price but disagree on value. That is exploitation. That is differing need and utility.


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Taxing Authority
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re: Capitalism is the Exploitation of Man by Man.
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In economics exploitation is simply paying a man less than the amount that he produces.
No. In that case the worker values his labor less than the money he receives, and the employer values the workers labor more than the money he pays. They both agree on the price. They disagree on the value of work/salary. It's a trade. Nothing more, nothing less.

One could just as easily conclude that the worker is exploiting the employer by accepting his labor for more valuable dollars.
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