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re: Can Trump really win?

Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:49 am to
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5007 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:49 am to
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Pretty amazing considering one of his main campaign points in ‘16 was the wall.


Trump wasted that opportunity in 2016 also. The border issue won him the election. He should have tackled that first. He shouldn't have signed anything until that was fixed.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10395 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:49 am to
If trump is legally able to get elected then he can win.

He has more Republican support than any other candidate.

If he’s found guilty of insurrection then I think he cannot be elected.

The democrats are hoping for that
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21748 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:50 am to
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with the second time having more votes than any president ever.


An utterly meaningless talking point.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30576 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:50 am to
Yes. The economy is always king in elections when it’s in the shitter.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
6524 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:52 am to
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At one point during President Trump's time in office I paid $ 1.63/gallon.



Because the whole country was locked down and people weren't driving to work or even working. They were literally being paid to sit at home. Do you want to go back to 2020 just so you can have low gas prices? That logic is insane. Lockdown gasoline prices is nothing to brag about.
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
Member since Jan 2007
11365 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:54 am to
It will be in jail by the end of the summer. The plan was always to have him win the nomination, then put them in jail at the last minute.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68147 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:57 am to
quote:

his failures at the border
What failures? He's let millions of illegals into the country. That's a massive success for the left. The Democrats and moderates will reward him for that.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42274 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:57 am to
I don’t know, honestly. I hope he spends more time campaigning in the issues rather than campaigning about the legal cases against him.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 9:58 am
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
30071 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:58 am to
It may be tied with immigration/border problems at this point in the games. “Problems” isn’t even the correct term. “Crises” rather. With an “es”. Multiple. Under one umbrella.
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
5562 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:58 am to
Trump won in 2016 and 2020.

He knows there is massive fraud and cheating.

Remember he called o secretaries of state in 2017 to investigate fraud in the 2016 election. Even republican secretaries of state shut it down. Trump knew then. Everyone knows. No one wants to acknowledge it and take care of the problem.

So do you remember? I do.
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:02 am to
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But voting doesn’t change anything anyways so have at it.
It doesn't? Were things better, worse or the same from Jan 2017 - Jan 2020 compared to Jan 2021 -Jan 2024? (From Jan 2020 -Jan 2021 things were worse for everyone because of covid.) If things were better, then voting changed things. If things were worse, then voting changed things.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 10:24 am
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10913 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:02 am to
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It took the Dems stopping the count in 6 swing states, kicking out all observers, and stealing the election at 4 am in the morning to keep him out of office. Dems have no path to victory without cheating.


Even if any of that is true it’s not a narrative that swing voters care to hear any more about.

“The other side cheats” is never going to work especially when we have courts and judges (some appointed by Trump himself) to handle election complaints, which they did with the quickness.
Posted by Al Opecia
Member since Sep 2022
130 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:06 am to
Trump cannot win. He is being led with false poll numbers right into a trap that ends with his conviction in Georgia in August. He is happily taking the party right down the tubes with him.
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8374 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:13 am to
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Do you want to go back to 2020 just so you can have low gas prices?


Yes, maybe the people in position to stop the steal might have stepped in to do the right thing.

Where do I start to answer your ridiculous question? For starters, I don't want my grandsons and granddaugters coming home to us in government issue caskets. I want to be able to afford a new (or good) used car. I want to be able to go out occasionally without experiencing sticker shock at my dinner bill.

How about this little gem?. Your pal Joe Biden gives $ 10 billion dollars to the Iranians and now their Houthi pals are bombing our Tankers and killing and wounding our soldiers in Jordan.

Under President Trump our southern border was secure. Now we're overwhelmed with wave after wave of illegal aliens and migrants. Our Border Patrol People tell us some of those people getting past them are some really bad people.....think terrorist.

If you can't acknowledge that Joe Biden and the democrats are an unmitigated disaster, then I can't help you.

But you know what? I think you're either a troll, or maybe a AI Bot. Regardless, go peddle you anti-Trump vitriol somewhere else snowflake.

Regardless....

Trump 2024 - We Need Him Now
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 10:23 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260263 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:14 am to
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No! Where do I start to answer your ridiculous question? For starters, I don't want my grandsons and granddaugters coming home to us in government issue caskets


They will wish we were in one if we continue to accumulate debt.

Whats MAGAs plan for dealing with the current debt?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64321 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:19 am to
When Cato Institute fellows are calling out Trump, you know he’s losing ground on the Right

Exactly how many tens of people are listening to the cato

"Total contributions from the Kochs over our 35 year existence is about $30 million. During that time, the Cato Institute has raised more than $340 million, so over the life of the Institute, their contributions have amounted to about 10 percent of our funding. It was more in the early years - for the first few years of Cato's existence, Charles Koch provided 100 percent of the funding. It dropped off to about 4 percent of total funding after 1990, to 0 percent the last two years."

The most recent annual report for Cato, published on its web site, reported a yearly budget of $23 million.

Corporate sponsors include such major companies as FedEx, Google, CME Group and Whole Foods.

Sounds like a group for the little people?
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44815 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:20 am to
quote:

Even if any of that is true it’s not a narrative that swing voters care to hear any more about.



This. Very much this.

Put it this way: The Astros still won the 2017 World Series, no matter how much Yankees or Dodgers fans whine about it.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
2975 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:20 am to
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In a fair Election yep.


This is the key. At this point, you had 4 years of Trump and a booming economy. In Biden's first year he tanked that economy and continues doing the things that will keep it stagnant.

Regardless of whether it's Joe, Michael, or Gavin, Trump will prevail in a free and fair election because of the wrecked economy of Democratic leadership
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19433 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:40 am to
It will be almost impossible. He’s not going to win the female vote and he’s going to struggle with Independents. He’s the most reviled politician in American history as evidenced by the nut cases continually attacking him.

I honestly believe if libs had a gun put to their head and they had to vote for Trump or David Duke, they’d take Duke.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 10:41 am
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
32887 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:50 am to
quote:

Most regular Reps and moderate Rep are against him and will either sit out of hold their nose and vote Biden

Because they’re really Dems or idiots.
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