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re: Bundy/BLM: Sheriff: "Feds Strategizing for Raid"
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:03 pm to LSU Tiger Bob
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:03 pm to LSU Tiger Bob
quote:Speaking of taxes...slight highjack. In Houston you make checks out directly to the tax assessor not the county. Paul Bettencourt (sp) was the previous assessor. He is in the private sector now, running ads for how to lower you county tax burden.......bastard.
I see ads on TV where people only paid pennies on the dollar for huge amounts of back taxes. Maybe Bundy needs to hire one of those companies.
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:20 pm to dante
quote:
In Houston you make checks out directly to the tax assessor not the county.
Houston isn't the only place. Wonder what happens to that tax money before it's paid to the govt entity? I suppose a better question would be, "What happens to the interest on that money before it's paid to the govt entity."
My property tax is paid directly to the Probate Judge. I'm sure there's not a smidgen of corruption there.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:24 pm to son of arlo
quote:
Which specific rights are you talking about? That's a question too big for one thread.
Suppose my family has been leasing some pastures to another family to run cows on for generations. Then I inherit the land. I decide I want to develop it. I contact the rancher and tell him he's got two years to find alternate pastures/get his cattle off of my land.
The rancher replies that his family has been grazing those pastures since before I was born and doesn't recognize my ownership of the property. In addition, he refuses to pay any more rent.
I tell him, "Tough, if you don't move them off, I'll move them myself." to which he responds, "If you come near my cattle, I will cause you physical harm."
What should I do? Just say, "Oh well, he's been there so long, and besides, he's threatening physical harm. I'll just let him be - and not charge him rent anymore."?
Would you really side with the rancher in that case?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:26 pm to son of arlo
quote:I wasn't necessarily referring to corruption, but the fact NOW that he is no longer assessor, he wants to help people lower their tax burden. Why not help us WHILE you have the power to do something about it?
Houston isn't the only place. Wonder what happens to that tax money before it's paid to the govt entity? I suppose a better question would be, "What happens to the interest on that money before it's paid to the govt entity."
My property tax is paid directly to the Probate Judge. I'm sure there's not a smidgen of corruption there.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:28 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Suppose my family has been leasing some pastures
Stopped right there. You're family didn't make the law. Do you see where I'm coming from?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:33 pm to son of arlo
quote:
Stopped right there. You're family didn't make the law. Do you see where I'm coming from?
No.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:36 pm to dante
quote:
I wasn't necessarily referring to corruption, but the fact NOW that he is no longer assessor, he wants to help people lower their tax burden. Why not help us WHILE you have the power to do something about it?
Surely I'm not the first person to suggest if tax monies are paid to an account specifying the office holder, there might be some inherent corruption going on.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:36 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
I haven't really been following. Was the farmer paying rent for the land his family has been using?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:37 pm to son of arlo
quote:What could go wrong?
Surely I'm not the first person to suggest if tax monies are paid to an account specifying the office holder, there might be some inherent corruption going on.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:55 pm to Lsut81
quote:
If they raid and shite goes down, you can bet your arse thousands of militia men will converge on the area and turn it into the wild west.
Good. I hope the federal government kills everyone of those treasonist pos. All this to protect a welfare queen, like Bundy
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:57 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
I haven't really been following. Was the farmer paying rent for the land his family has been using?
Up until they were told they would have to move their cattle off.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:03 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
If I was a cattle farmer in the area playing by the "rules". I'd be a little pissed off that my competition didn't and was able to make more money than me.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:09 pm to CaptainBrannigan
quote:
Good. I hope the federal government kills everyone of those treasonist pos. All this to protect a welfare queen, like Bundy
I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:13 pm to Itismemc
quote:
If I was a cattle farmer in the area playing by the "rules". I'd be a little pissed off that my competition didn't and was able to make more money than me.
That's what I'm talking about.
I mean, yeah, the government is oppressive and overreaching sometimes, but I don't think so in this case.
I'd be strategizing for a raid too if I had an intransigent, belligerent tenant who was in arrears and trespassing. I'd also do my damnedest to show up with far more firepower than I believed he could muster. I would by far rather him surrender in the face of superior force than to have to kill him.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:24 pm to dante
quote:
What could go wrong?
It's a simple mechanism that makes politicians rich. Why do you suppose politicians competing for jobs that pay $20k a year spend $10k for plywood signs when an election is forthcoming? Are they vying for a job that will qualify them for foodstamps?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:36 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:Grazing fees have been collected since the passage of The Taylor Grazing Act in 1934. The Act was intended to "stop injury to the public grazing lands by preventing overgrazing and soil deterioration; to provide for their orderly use, improvement, and development; [and] to stabilize the livestock industry dependent upon the public range."
Granted. However, Bundy claims that three generations of his family has grazed that land. At what date did the feds start alleging that the Bundys were grazing on the land illegally?
All of Clark County, Nevada, was included within the Act.
Bundy had been paying grazing fees but stopped paying his grazing fees in 1993.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:49 pm to Salviati
quote:
Bundy had been paying grazing fees but stopped paying his grazing fees in 1993.
Okay, thanks. So in 1934 the grazing fee was initiated. Bundy's grandpa and pa pay the fees during those years. Nothing said. What exactly happened in 1993 that Bundy got his dander up and quit paying the fee? I haven't seen an answer to that question yet.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:51 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:
I haven't seen an answer to that question yet.
Bundy grazed his cattle legally on an area of federal land near Bunkerville prior to 1993, but when grazing rules were changed in the Gold Butte, Nevada area in Clark County, he became locked in legal battles with the US government.[2]
Wiki for what its worth
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:52 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Yes, he has paid grazing fees to BLM. He has refused to pay grazing fees since 1993. The court ordered him to remove his cattle by November 30, 1998. His cattle have continued to graze on the Bunkerville Allotment, the federal land for which he refuses to pay grazing fees. In addition, some of his cattle have left the Bunkerville Allotment and are now trespassing on land that is about four times the size of the Bunkerville Allotment.
I haven't really been following. Was the farmer paying rent for the land his family has been using?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:53 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:I believe that is when the BLM confiscated over 100,000 acres of Golden Butte and made it off limits to the cattle because of the desert turtle. They also placed restrictions on the ranchers about the number of cows permitted.
1993 that Bundy got his dander up and quit paying the fee
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