re: Bleeding heart liberal tells us what a NAZI really is

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The value system of socialism is the subjugation of the individual to the good of the collective. Nazi Germany fit that to the 'T'.

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This is nonsense. The Core socialist value is the common ownership of resources. That's it.

Now, I suppose you could argue that the natural result of that value system is subjugation of the individual to the good of the collective. However, this wouldn't be unique to socialism. It would be a natural result of fascism, for example.

Shhhh...he paid attention in sociology class.

I'm sorry; but NOONE is buying you, rivisionists theories to history, man. They were called the National Socialist German Worker's Party FOR A REASON!

Keep on keeping on man.

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Totally wrong. The value system of socialism is the subjugation of the individual to the good of the collective. Nazi Germany fit that to the 'T'. It's the opposite of a free society where individual freedom of choice trumps 'the state.'

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Which made it an authoritarian state based on racial philosophy, not fundamentally socialist in economic worldview. Whereas Marxism uses economic theory as a basis of their entire worldview, National Socialism used blood/race, and all theories of economics and liberty were subservient to this. In Marxism, liberty and all other concerns are subservient to the class theory instead of blood. They are similar in their authoritarianism but not in their fundamental political beliefs.

Both subjugated the individual to the collective but that alone doesn't mean they were the same. It's amazing to me that people go back and forth so much arguing whether Nazis were socialist or not, it really doesn't even matter. Neither are at all congruent with American values of governance.

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Errerrerrwere

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Dude your panties are in a bunch, calm down man....it will be okay.

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The alt-right CANNOT be NAZIs is basically what he is saying. Like I said, this guy is a liberal, and he makes a lot of sense since the alt-right are not socialists. He uses guy's like Spencer's own interviews to prove his point.
- Errerrerrwere

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Let's just be clear with one thing, Richard Spencer created the term "Alt-Right". I am not saying he is "Alt-Right" or that he is not "Alt-Right". I am simply saying he is the person that created it. So, one would think that he is the person who defines what the "Alt-Right" is or is not.
- Abadeebadaba

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Great! WTF does that have to do with this thread? With the alt-right being NAZIs? Watch the video man. Learn something today.
- Errerrerrwere

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Like jesus frick, do you even readz guud?

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Idiots. My intolerance of them is a character flaw I'm working on.

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You sound just like the SJWs that you love to hate right now.

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I suggest you look at it; I'm not going to do the work for you, welfare queen.

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Thats a good read.

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If you actually read the article

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I did.

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he writer contrasts the Nazi philosophy with socialism while arguing that both are more leftist than rightist.

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I know. that was my whole point. The other poster seems hypnotized by the "nuh uh! Hitler was totally a right winger!" bullshite.

"an inch to the right of Stalin." That's absolutely fair to say.

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there are small things the Nazis did that were socialist in nature,

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This cracks me the frick up man.

If there were any capitalist industries in Germany after Hitlers rise, then they were 1. In name only or 2. Black market. That Hitler was totalitarian /authoritarian matters exactly 0.

Class based v. Race based. Interesting distinction that has nothing to do with whether or not hitler and the NAZIs were socialist.

Germany had an entirely centrally planned, state controlled economy under which party affiliates and cronys were placed at the head of industries critical to the growth of the super state. Within his "race based" society, there also existed a "class based" society, just like every other socialist state. It's somewhat difficult to avoid such a scenario when the central government eliminates their enemies across the country and forces the remainder to pledge allegiance and obedience to their government.

If one looks at the "little" socialist things hitler did, he might find that they were actually very big, and not so different than the "big" socialist things that are more well regarded by leftists in a different context.

Mises sees your historical consensus and rejects it.

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The foreign critics condemn the Nazi system as capitalist. In this age of fanatical anticapitalism and enthusiastic support of socialism no reproach seems to discredit a government more thoroughly in the eyes of fashionable opinion than the qualification pro-capitalistic. But this is one charge against the Nazis that is unfounded. We have seen in a previous chapter that the Zwangswirtschaft is a socialist system of all-round government control of business.

It is true that there are still profits in Germany. Some enterprises even make much higher profits than in the last years of the Weimar regime. But the significance of this fact is quite different from what the critics believe. There is strict control of private spending.

No German capitalist or entrepreneur (shop manager) or any one else is free to spend money on his consumption than the government considers adequate to his rank and position in the service of the nation. The surplus must be deposited with the banks or invested in domestic bonds or in the stock of German corporations wholly controlled by the government.

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Foundation for Economic Education

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You mean like providing for the common defense and promoting the general welfare?

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Yes. Not sure what your point is here.