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Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:38 pm to Archangel
I believe it’s possible, but I also believe all our days are numbered. In the vast majority of cases when you number is up, it’s up.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:40 pm to TDsngumbo
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100% believe in it.
^^^^^^
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:29 pm to Archangel
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Does anyone here truly believe the Bible? The world has us going to medicine for every little thing, but the Bible says we can pray our sickness out. Does anyone believe this?
James 5:14-15
King James Version
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit such as "healing" don't exist today.
They haven't existed since the apostles died, because they could only be received after the laying on of the apostles hands.
Spend some time in the Book of Acts.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:10 pm to Archangel
In a couple of years you will have the opportunity to tell God he was wrong
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:29 pm to Archangel
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The world has us going to medicine for every little thing, but the Bible says we can pray our sickness out. Does anyone believe this?
I don't know. My Mom who was a devout Christian, gave birth to eight children. 1927-1945. When we were ill she prayed. She read a chapter from the Bible almost every night and prayed for blessings every night prior to bed.
We were all born at home with a midwife. None of us ever saw an MD except, my older brother was bitten by a mule when he was fifteen. Stitches and tetanus shot. My younger sister broke her arm when she was about twelve and had it set by a MD.
I had my first MD checkup at age 18, prior to college. He said, "You are healthy enough to live to 150. I'm over half way there.
I've been blessed.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:40 pm to Archangel
God also gave man the knowledge to produce medications and doctors the skills to perform surgeries.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 10:36 pm to Archangel
100%. I was diagnosed with subcutaneous lymphoma in 2005. A church full of people prayed for me and a local pastor told me that I had a miracle from the Lord and not to let the devil steal it. No cancer was found at my next doctor visit.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 10:49 pm to foj1981
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 12:17 am to FooManChoo
quote:Your definitive interpretation of James may be one example where care should be exercised.
I also believe that we must be careful with our interpretation of it.
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The passage you are referencing was given within the context of the miraculous, apostolic gifts. Those gifts have ceased.
The passage with added context:
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13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Men praying for their afflictions, men merry and singing God’s praises with psalms in verse 13 are not contextually confined to the Apostolic Age nor have they ceased and nothing in St. James’s epistle disconnects or disassociates verse 13 from verses 14-16.
In my opinion, it’s ill advised to make definitive theological pronouncements relegating St. James’s instructions to the Church respecting calling elders, anointing the sick or dis-eased, and praying for healing (and the faithful, hopeful expectation of success) to the Apostolic Age and claiming them ceased, extinct.
I believe doing so inhibits the the Church and her members from obedience to God’s Word and exercising a robust faith. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 12:37 am to Archangel
All disease starts with our thoughts. Think about the word. DIS-EASE. Meaning pur body and minds are not at ease and that's what causes sickness. We all have the power to heal ourselves. We are all part of God and have the ability. It's just been suppressed through endless vaccines, pharmaceuticals, fluoride, aluminum, etc. Our pineal glands are calcified and that is one of the main reasons we have lost our connection.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 12:46 am to Mo Jeaux
The space program?
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:02 am to TDsngumbo
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:13 am to Mr. Misanthrope
quote:I’m using great care in my interpretation, which aligns with orthodox interpretation of greatly gifted and learned men throughout history. I have put much care and thought into the teachings of Scripture and the history of the Church to see that apostolic gifts flourished with the building of the foundations of the Church, yet decreased and ceased altogether after said foundations were lain. Context matters.
Your definitive interpretation of James may be one example where care should be exercised.
quote:You are correct in that those activities surrounding the anointing with oil for prayers of miraculous healing have not ceased, but it does not follow that said miraculous gifts of healing through oil anointing and prayer at the hands of the elders should likewise continue. What was “normative” during the apostolic age was not necessarily meant to continue afterwards. Context of all of Scripture must be used to understand what is meant for the Church in maturity compared to the Church in infancy.
The passage with added context:
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Men praying for their afflictions, men merry and singing God’s praises with psalms in verse 13 are not contextually confined to the Apostolic Age nor have they ceased and nothing in St. James’s epistle disconnects or disassociates verse 13 from verses 14-16.
quote:The miraculous gifts were a work of the Spirit to accompany the Apostles as signs of the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the authority of those Apostles. They have ceased to be normative because the Spirit—who is the one who bestows such gifts—has ordained to not continue those confirmatory signs long after the apostolic age. They were used to build a foundation, and the foundation has already been built. We have the Scriptures as our rule and the Church as our guide, through the faithful application of the Scriptures.
In my opinion, it’s ill advised to make definitive theological pronouncements relegating St. James’s instructions to the Church respecting calling elders, anointing the sick or dis-eased, and praying for healing (and the faithful, hopeful expectation of success) to the Apostolic Age and claiming them ceased, extinct.
With that said, prayer should still be done. One of the primary acts of elders in the church is prayer. We all should pray for one another, and pray expectantly. That, however, does not mean that the Lord has ordained to heal every person in a special or miraculous way on the account of those prayers. He is often pleased to heal through the prayers of the saints (the common Christian) through the means of doctors and medicines, as was the case when Paul told Titus to take some wine for his stomach problems.
quote:Christ is the same, but He works differently in history. The apostolic gifts have ceased because there are no more apostles, as an example.
I believe doing so inhibits the the Church and her members from obedience to God’s Word and exercising a robust faith. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
What I believe about God’s working through human means as a normative practice does not inhibit faith or faithful obedience. What inhibits faith and faithful obedience is the belief that God continues to work miraculously today as a normative practice only for Him to not do so, leaving many professing Christians wondering if God exists or if His Word is even true. Many a person has had their faith wrecked by false promises of miracles and false prophets claiming to carry on an apostolic gift that has ceased.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:15 am to Dex Morgan
quote:Huh?
We are all part of God and have the ability
God is not made up of parts.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:07 am to Archangel
Yes it's called a blessing and no not everyone has the authority
Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:10 am to FooManChoo
Actually you are wrong they are still here on the earth today just not everyone has the authority to bles and anoit
Posted on 2/3/23 at 4:25 am to Audustxx
Yeh, I won't be one of those, Those that think that will have for a lack of a better term have a OH shite MOMENT.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 6:29 am to Jack Daniel
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The space program?
No, the god of light, slayer of Python.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 6:39 am to Archangel
People can worry themselves sick. If the Bible can calm & give one comfort, that can be a great benefit.
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