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re: Ben Shapiro @ UC Berkeley Live Stream; Update: Audio on Now!
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:02 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:02 pm to OMLandshark
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If I were his opposition's campaign manager, that would be his achilles heal. It's not the trans or healthcare issue, it is that. You beat on that, since most people can empathize what they'd do if their daughter or sister was brutally raped.
That's reasonable. From a pure political standpoint you are probably right in that he would be better off if he "evolved" there. But something tells me he's not that type
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:02 pm to Bass Tiger
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I think that dude is still suffering from being hit in the head with the bike loc
I was thinking the same thing.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:03 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Enjoyed listening to him. We need much more of these events at Berkeley.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:06 pm to DaGarun
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But something tells me he's not that type
I agree he's not. It is his Achilles Heal, but I suspect that his opposition will focus on stupid shite like trans and gay issues, the former that no one gives a shite about and the later in which he is exceptionally libertarian about and is laughable they would bring it up. They constantly do against him though, despite the fact he has quite a few gay friends, including Dave Rubin who cohosted his election night special with him.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:08 pm to OMLandshark
Only got to watch about the last 20-25 mins. Honestly made me feel a little less doom and gloom about the remaining possibilities for a return to civil discourse.
Props to the people involved who ensured the event took place, and for the officers who kept the peace outside of the event.
I agree and disagree with Shapiro on various issues, but whether or not you agree with majority of his stances... I think we can mostly agree that he is a great figure head for promoting a return to civil discourse on any and all topics. He makes an earnest effort to hedge his statements and positions as being from his own belief biases, while still being able to articulate the reasoning for his positions.
So refreshing to not have to listen to someone brow beat an audience into either agreeing with them or being dismissed outright as wrong and/ignorant.
Props to the people involved who ensured the event took place, and for the officers who kept the peace outside of the event.
I agree and disagree with Shapiro on various issues, but whether or not you agree with majority of his stances... I think we can mostly agree that he is a great figure head for promoting a return to civil discourse on any and all topics. He makes an earnest effort to hedge his statements and positions as being from his own belief biases, while still being able to articulate the reasoning for his positions.
So refreshing to not have to listen to someone brow beat an audience into either agreeing with them or being dismissed outright as wrong and/ignorant.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:09 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Enjoyed listening to him. We need much more of these events at Berkeley.
I agree. Heard leftists complaining about him going to Berkeley as a way to taunt the left. The real reason you should go talk to opposing sides is so that q & a lets you put opposing views up against a speaker like him.
Him going to Auburn to speak would be ultimately a ton of supporters with little push back.
Granted, I wish more liberals would have asked questions as those were the most interesting discussions, but if they are not willing to debate, then all you can do is give them the chance and its their fault for being too weak to have discourse.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:10 pm to RLDSC FAN
Agree in Berkley, but feel its needed everywhere as well. We have to get back the ability to have civil discourses on our differences
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:23 pm to LSUnation78
I thought the guy who talked about Chase bank redlining recently had the best point that shapiro didn't really have a response to.
Other than that, everyone's opposing arguments got destroyed
Eta: actually I retract my statement. I don't think that guy had his facts straight. After some research I don't see any evidence of racism by banks. They are be accused of racism because they didn't make enough loans in areas of the city where majority blacks live. That doesn't necessarily mean racism, it means there were less qualified borrowers in those areas.
Other than that, everyone's opposing arguments got destroyed
Eta: actually I retract my statement. I don't think that guy had his facts straight. After some research I don't see any evidence of racism by banks. They are be accused of racism because they didn't make enough loans in areas of the city where majority blacks live. That doesn't necessarily mean racism, it means there were less qualified borrowers in those areas.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 9/15/17 at 6:19 am to WaWaWeeWa
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After some research I don't see any evidence of racism by banks. They are be accused of racism because they didn't make enough loans in areas of the city where majority blacks live. That doesn't necessarily mean racism, it means there were less qualified borrowers in those areas.
And I think it was more overt through the 1970s, but Shapiro is essentially correct - businesses wouldn't last long if they discriminated based on race. Credit scores are the driving force.
It's 2017 - for banks, credit cards, most businesses, etc., there is only one color - green. (That's a good thing - enlightened self-interest is among the very best things.)
Posted on 9/15/17 at 6:59 am to Ace Midnight
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They are be accused of racism because they didn't make enough loans in areas of the city where majority blacks live. That doesn't necessarily mean racism, it means there were less qualified borrowers in those areas.
well to these people, that means racism
Tabula Rasa and institutional oppression through vehicles like credit scores and loan requirements, etc
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Credit scores are the driving force.
racism
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In response to aggressive marketing by the “big three” multinational credit bureaus – Equifax, Experian and TransUnion – employers, landlords and insurance companies now use credit reports and scores to make decisions that have major bearing on our social and economic opportunities. These days, your credit history can make or break whether you get a job or apartment, or access to decent, affordable insurance and loans.
Credit reports and scores are not race neutral. Rather, they embed existing racial inequities in our credit system and economy – to the point that a person’s credit information serves as a proxy for race.
For decades, banks have systematically redlined black and Latino neighborhoods, refusing to make conventional loans or locate branches in non-white and lower-income areas, notwithstanding laws that obligate banks to meet the credit needs of all communities they serve, consistent with safe and sound banking operations. Thanks to financial services deregulation and the advent of asset-backed securitization, a multi-billion dollar “fringe” financial system has filled the void, characterized by high-cost, destabilizing products and services, from payday loans to check-cashers – which banks typically also own or finance.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:44 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Eta: actually I retract my statement. I don't think that guy had his facts straight. After some research I don't see any evidence of racism by banks. They are be accused of racism because they didn't make enough loans in areas of the city where majority blacks live. That doesn't necessarily mean racism, it means there were less qualified borrowers in those areas.
Correct, it was the loose application of mortgage qualification guidelines that triggered the financial "meltdown" of 2008/2009
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 7:46 am
Posted on 9/15/17 at 8:02 am to Jcorye1
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I can get past his anti-Trump stuff, hell Trump was not my 1st guy either but once it got down to Trump and Hilldawg that was a gimme for Trump.
I'm not going to vote for a president because the other side sucks. I'm going to vote for something because I can actually buy into what they are doing.
Well good for you - If you really believed that, you would write in a vote for yourself every time an election was held, because nobody could agree with you more than yourself.
Voting against a proven disaster, whose political ascendency was fueled by corruption and malfeasance, who has been nothing but a self-serving cold fish her entire life, is the gold standard of why to vote.
We do much better voting to prevent disaster than we do in voting to obtain utopia.
I have voted in every election since 1960, and i would wager that 3/4 of my votes were to stop some undeserving or incompetent, or dangerous person from becoming POTUS. I can say that only my 1984 vote for RR was a pure FOR vote that I would have cast regardless of opponent.
This past election was 90% AGAINST HRC - and I have never been prouder of a vote in my entire life.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 8:06 am to OMLandshark
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Shapiro has big aspirations.
I need to follow him more. I have only been exposed to a few snippets of him and those only from TigerDroppings.
I have seen nothing that I disagree with him on yet, and I like his style. He seems to be a much more intelligent and competent ME. I'd love to be able to perform at that level with that same degree of fluency and knowledge.
I think I'll find his podcast and begin listening.
I could easily be a huge supporter.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 8:54 am to ChineseBandit58
Shapiro's stuff is out there for free on Youtube and soundcloud
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:00 am to ChineseBandit58
I disagree with about 80% of what Ben says but he's a pretty straight shooter
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:39 am to TigerB8
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Shapiro's stuff is out there for free on Youtube and soundcloud
I'll check it out.
I googled "Ben Shapiro Berkely Speech" and got one from a year ago. Have just finished listening, and am impressed.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:41 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I disagree with about 80% of what Ben says but he's a pretty straight shooter
It's hard for me to imagine someone who could only agree with 20% of his views, but I appreciate your not resorting to just calling him a vicious name.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:42 am to ChineseBandit58
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It's hard for me to imagine someone who could only agree with 20% of his views
You can't imagine a worldview outside your own?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:43 am to ChineseBandit58
I've listened to his podcasts for a long time. He definitely makes good arguments and has basically predicted the entire Trump presidency thus far. I'm not a big Trump supporter by any means as a libertarian, but in my opinion Shapiro does tend to go a bit overboard on the anti Trump stuff on his podcast. 90% of his criticism is warranted but another 10% just seems petty to me. He also is very pro-Israel (for obvious reasons) which I don't always agree with.
But that's really my only quibbles with him. He does a great job of political analysis and is definitely worth a listen.
But that's really my only quibbles with him. He does a great job of political analysis and is definitely worth a listen.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
Top three things of the 80% that you disagree with him about?
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