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re: Ben Shapiro @ UC Berkeley Live Stream; Update: Audio on Now!
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:54 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:54 am to Draconian Sanctions
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It's hard for me to imagine someone who could only agree with 20% of his views
You can't imagine a worldview outside your own?
Pretty much have a hard time understanding how a sentient being can disagree with most of the things that have created the greatest nation/society/culture the world has ever seen = self responsibility - two parent families - free speech - non aggression - reliance on logic and data - insisting on honesty vs intentional disinformation - renouncing dysfunctional ideas and cultures - insisting on lawful behavior - etc etc etc.
I noted a couple of things where I would not be as strict as Shapiro but I do not even disagree with his stance on those, to the extent that I would endorse the opposite view.
To me it is a weird mentality that can be opposed to 80% of what he said - at least in the video I just watched - from Berkeley some time ago, not the one last night - I still have not seen that.
Perhaps I should have said it is hard for me to imagine an American who could only agree with 20% of what he said. I suspect the taliban, ISIS, Cuba, etc would not agree with him on much.
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Posted on 9/15/17 at 10:48 am to ChineseBandit58
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Perhaps I should have said it is hard for me to imagine an American who could only agree with 20% of what he said
IMO that's pretty sad
newsflash, your POV is not the only legitimate one.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 10:51 am
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:19 am to Draconian Sanctions
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IMO that's pretty sad
newsflash, your POV is not the only legitimate one.
Perhaps this discussion is only worthwhile if we get into specifics. Pick a Shapiro believe that you cannot support.
And please leave off abortion - unless that is all you have.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:23 am to ChineseBandit58
I haven't watched Ben in awhile so why don't you pick one. Or better yet pick 3. Idgaf about abortion so I'm fine leaving that off.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 11:24 am
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:37 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I haven't watched Ben in awhile so why don't you pick one. Or better yet pick 3. Idgaf about abortion so I'm fine leaving that off.
paraphrasing in my own words - don't recall his exact verbiage:
1 - Two parent families are the way to combat systemic poverty.
2 - Big government sucks at social engineering.
3 - Victimhood is being used by the left to tear down the American experience.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:45 am to ChineseBandit58
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1 - Two parent families are the way to combat systemic poverty.
Loving, supportive environments are a way to combat systemic poverty. Building a quality education system is another one.
You didn't say it here and I don't know that Ben said this but I'm assuming you/he also mean "mother-father" two parent families. I'd argue a loving and stable same sex two parent family is more conducive to producing a productive member of society than a dysfunctional and/or abusive opposite sex two person family. That may not be an argument you're making though.
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2 - Big government sucks at social engineering.
this is very vague.
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3 - Victimhood is being used by the left to tear down the American experience.
Victimhood is being used by both the right and the left in order to create loyal voters and draw deeper lines in the "culture wars". There are plenty of paranoid right wing snowflakes out there who cry foul at every little thing they don't like and have taken their obsession with the media to unhealthy and delusional levels. They are very similar to the SJWs they claim to hate.
A portion of society are now voting for their "way of life" as much as they are any tangible political issues. Both parties are doing as much as they can to blur the lines between the two.
Also, the idea that one side has an exclusive claim to define what the American experience is and then in the next breath attach the "other side" for intentionally trying to destroy it is myopic.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 11:54 am
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:59 am to ChineseBandit58
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Two parent families are the way to combat systemic poverty.
Not exactly what he said.
His way to combat poverty is to graduate from high school, not have a kid out of wedlock, and have a job.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:00 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Regarding point 1.
Ben specifically means children out of wedlock are the fastest way to poverty. Same sex couples can not have children by conventional methods so this generally does not apply to same sex couples. If 2 gay guys are having a kid, they would have to adopt, and the adoption process should vet people that would be poor parents.
Ben does not specify mother or father, but Ben is not against gays at all.
He simply implies that children out of wedlock in single parent homes is a very easily correctable issue, that everyone on an individual level can help abide by, that would greatly reduce the number of people impoverished today.
Agree or Disagree?
Ben specifically means children out of wedlock are the fastest way to poverty. Same sex couples can not have children by conventional methods so this generally does not apply to same sex couples. If 2 gay guys are having a kid, they would have to adopt, and the adoption process should vet people that would be poor parents.
Ben does not specify mother or father, but Ben is not against gays at all.
He simply implies that children out of wedlock in single parent homes is a very easily correctable issue, that everyone on an individual level can help abide by, that would greatly reduce the number of people impoverished today.
Agree or Disagree?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:10 pm to Ace Midnight
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And I think it was more overt through the 1970s, but Shapiro is essentially correct - businesses wouldn't last long if they discriminated based on race. Credit scores are the driving force.
Correct. And my response etc that question would have been...
Well Antifa should protest JP Morgan Chase. Don't protest America, the national anthem, white people in general, etc.
Most normal people are pissed that they are demonized for being white when they are just going about their business
The way you stamp out racism is to protest the very people who commit it, not ostracize an entire portion of the country based on their skin color. That is the very idea they are trying to fight. Morons
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:22 pm to Superquincy
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He simply implies that children out of wedlock in single parent homes is a very easily correctable issue, that everyone on an individual level can help abide by, that would greatly reduce the number of people impoverished today.
Agree or Disagree?
Onviously thats a social problem that contributes to poverty
It's not the only one though
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:24 pm to Superquincy
Shapiro thinks kids raised in opposite sex married households is better than being raised in same sex households, but he also thinks same sex households is better than single parents.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
He never said it was the only factor.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It's not the only one though
It's the biggest one.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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your POV is not the only legitimate one.
I guess it depends on your POV. To each of us our own views seem the most legitimate.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:31 pm to TheXman
Indeed. And it's not based on race. There's no way for SJWs to argue that point. I love it.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:33 pm to roadGator
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And it's not based on race. There's no way for SJWs to argue that point. I love it.
Yeah look at the poor white trash, the majority come from single parent households.
Same goes for the ghetto blacks.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:46 pm to PsychTiger
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I guess it depends on your POV. To each of us our own views seem the most legitimate.
Sure but you're pretty small minded if you think your way is the only way and no way could any other way ever work.
Non-political example: Les Miles' offensive philosophy
Posted on 9/15/17 at 5:22 pm to ChineseBandit58
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This past election was 90% AGAINST HRC - and I have never been prouder of a vote in my entire life.
Im very glad you say that. Now if only some other people could admit that... we would have a better chance at civil discourse and bipartisanship.
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