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Atty. Gen. Holder: "I am also a black man."

Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:17 am
Posted by AlaTiger
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:17 am
Turned on Melissa Harris-Perry on MSNBC and she is talking about how Holder went to Ferguson and met with the people there and said even though he was the AG, he told them that he is also a black man, so he understood what they were going through.

Racial division will never end in this country. Never.

Holder told the people the story of his own persecution - how he was stopped at two different occasions on the New Jersey Turnpike by State Troopers and had his car searched. He shared how humiliating it was and how angry he was. That was his persecution story.

I am white. Back when I was in college, I was walking across campus. This was in the 90's and I walked on the side walk through a group of black guys out in the open in between two dorms. It was daylight. This was the way that everyone walked.

They jumped up, surrounded me, knocked my backpack off of me, and started pushing me around the circle like a ball, back and forth. There were about 10 of them. They were laughing and saying they were going to hurt me and and calling me racial slurs. I could not get my balance before they pushed me back to another one. It went on and on. I thought they were going to beat me to a pulp, but I tried to stay on my feet. There was no way to get away. They had the circle closed.

Finally, they decided they were done, and one of them patted me on the butt and said, "Go on, white boy." They were all laughing hysterically. I picked up my stuff and went on.

I was pissed and scared, but I went on to class. I didn't report them. I let it go. I also was more careful the next time I walked through a group of black guys on campus. But, life was too short to worry about idiots.

Now, if I had been black, that would have been reported and MSNBC would have had cameras on campus. Even if I had not reported it, someone would have seen it and it would have been a big deal. By the way, LOTS of people saw what happened to me. It was out in the open on campus. No one said a word.

As a white guy in the South, I had quite a few experiences growing up where I saw black guys in groups wanting to have fun with a white guy - just so they could feel powerful. It was common. It was all racial and there was cursing and often it would end in violence. I never saw white guys do it to black guys. There would have been a race war if they had.

Holder's big story of racial persecution is pathetic. He ought to be embarrassed to go to Ferguson with a story like that and try to emphathize. Is there real racism in America? You bet. Are black people still treated horribly in many cases? Absolutely. But when my story as a white guy is way worse than Holder's, maybe he ought to just be the AG for ALL of us and stop with the pandering.

(None of this is to take away from what people in Ferguson are frustrated about. I am actually sympathetic and understand that there are still very real problems that need to be dealt with. It is Holder who is the problem here).
This post was edited on 8/23/14 at 10:21 am
Posted by constant cough
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:19 am to
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Turned on Melissa Harris-Perry on MSNBC



Why?
Posted by AlaTiger
America
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:21 am to
It was what the TV was on when I turned it on. Was watching the Ferguson stuff there the other night.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:24 am to
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Atty. Gen. Holder: "I am also a black man."




Oh Really Eric, I hadn't heard.
Posted by KCT
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:29 am to
So far, we haven't heard one thing to suggest that Darren Wilson did anything wrong that night. Certainly, Brown's punk arse friend Dorian Johnson has been proven to be a lying little thief.

On the contrary, everything we do know so far tends to support Wilson's account of things. But yet, our race-baiting, phony AG goes to Ferguson and makes this whole case about race. That is disgusting, and I hope that more people will be able to see the racial antagonism that has been perpetrated by the likes of Obama and Holder.

Seriously, we might as well have Louis Farrakhan as our AG. in fact, at least he would be upfront and honest about his racism.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:39 am to
Again, I am not taking sides in the Ferguson debate. I don't know what happened and I understand the frustration of the people of Ferguson.

My point is that Holder is a disaster.
Posted by KCT
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:44 am to
Well, everybody's "side" in the Ferguson situation should be whatever the truth is.

Sadly, we already know that isn't the case.
Posted by AlaTiger
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:48 am to
There is a lot more to it than what happened that day in the shooting. Obviously. I understand people's frustration and that this event serves as a touchpoint for a lot of anger that has been building.

But, when Holder is as aggrieved as he is and his worst stories are getting pulled over twice, it lets you know where HIS mindset is. He wants to be a victim so he can have moral authority to assert himself. And, when he identifies with his race here, he unnecessarily divides the American people.

If a white AG had said that, it would be horrible.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:55 am to
Holders common experience with the average black man is about as relevant as Elizabeth Warren's common experience with the people living on the Crow Reservation in Montana.

Holder is just pandering to the people who believe race matters far more than socioeconomic status.
This post was edited on 8/23/14 at 10:56 am
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:58 am to
cliffs bro?

Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:01 am to
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Holders common experience with the average black man is about as relevant as Elizabeth Warren's common experience with the people living on the Crow Reservation in Montana.

It sounds like you're questioning Holder's Blackness. Here's a guy who grew up in a working-class Black neighborhood, not a child of privilege, a la Valerie Jarrett.
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
Reseda
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:02 am to
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Holder's big story of racial persecution is pathetic.

So is yours.

Quit whining, bitch.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260477 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:07 am to
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It sounds like you're questioning Holder's Blackness. Here's a guy who grew up in a working-class Black neighborhood, not a child of privilege, a la Valerie Jarrett


I question everyone's blackness or whiteness. I've always felt socioeconomic status was far more important.

Holder's "working class" is much different than the rest of us.

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His mother was a telephone operator, and his father was a real estate broker. His parents both held strong ties to Barbados; his father emigrated from Saint Joseph, and his mother's family emigrated from Saint Philip. The eldest of two brothers, Holder grew up in the predominantly black neighborhood of East Elmhurst, Queens.

Holder attended a public school in his neighborhood until the fourth grade, when he was selected to participate in a program for intellectually gifted children. The school consisted of predominantly white students, which Holder says forced him to keep his "foot in both worlds." This only became more apparent when it came time to attend high school. While his friends at home chose to attend public schools in Queens, Holder's white schoolmates were taking an exam to enter the city's most elite institutions. Holder got into the prestigious Stuyvesant High School, an hour-and-a-half commute from his home, which pulled him even farther away from his neighborhood friends and community.

Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:10 am to
I find it amusing how Angry White Guys get their panties in a bunch over idea of a Black person occasionally wearing his ethnicity on his sleeve as though no other minority group ever does this, but of course they have no problem when Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans and Jewish-Americans do it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260477 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:10 am to
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Angry White Guys


Dear god...

Well, don't let anyone ever accuse you of being open minded.
Posted by son of arlo
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:12 am to
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His parents both held strong ties to Barbados; his father emigrated from Saint Joseph, and his mother's family emigrated from Saint Philip.


Dude ain't even got any authentic slave blood. Yet another magic negro. Holder is only a more eloquent version of Reverend Al.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:16 am to
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I've always felt socioeconomic status was far more important.

In 2014, I agree with you, but Holder grew up in the 1950's, not the 2000's, and those are the life experiences that shaped.

quote:

Holder's "working class" is much different than the rest of us.

What the hell does this mean? He grew up in Queens the son of immigrants attending public schools, similar to Colin Powell's upbringing. His folks weren't wealthy.
This post was edited on 8/23/14 at 11:19 am
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:18 am to
angry white guys cant wear their ethnicities on their sleeve. thats why we have a problem with it.


I can only imagine the backlash if someone in Holder's position said "I am also a white man." during this fiasco.

whites cant be proud to be white, but blacks can be proud to be black.
This post was edited on 8/23/14 at 11:19 am
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48351 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:19 am to
This could be a good thing in the long run.

Maybe the US electorate will learn a lesson or two about voting Democrats into political office.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260477 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:19 am to
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Holder's "working class" is much different than the rest of us.


What the hell does this mean? He grew up in Queens the son of immigrants attending public schools.


From 4th grade on, Holder attended elite schools away from his neighborhood. His father was a real estate broker.

"Blackness" or "Whiteness" isn't a common experience no matter how many times people attempt to make it so.

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