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Manky
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries

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The 'Out of Africa' theory is getting weaker with each new discovery.


Out of Africa was "a" migration but not "the" migration as previously thought.


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Gladius Veritas
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
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Seems like all these fancy scientist don't know shite.


Scientists never claim to know everything. The fact that science is open to new evidence and is constantly changing to represent the newest evidence isn't some win for the religious who denounce science, but a win for science itself. Sorry you're stuck in 1850


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Bayou Self
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
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Other than confirming that we don't have much of a fossil or DNA record I don't think it does that much to change the fundamental nature of evolution or where the first humans came from.

No, it changes it big time. With this find, theories are emerging to suggest that human DNA dates back 1.8 million years.
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Beth Shapiro, an expert on ancient DNA at the University of California, Santa Cruz, favors an even more radical possibility: that the humans of Sima de los Huesos belong to yet another branch of humans. They might have been a species called Homo erectus, which originated about 1.8 million years ago

Confuses the hell out of evolution at this point. You can make a case for micro, but the window just got closed on everything but punctuated equilibrium (which is heavily criticised even by evolutionists).
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The new finding is hard to reconcile with the picture of human evolution that has been emerging based on fossils and ancient DNA

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“It’s extremely hard to make sense of,” Dr. Meyer said. “We still are a bit lost here.”

You just lost 1.7 million years in the evolutionary chain. Now the gaps in the fossil record became undeniable

Everything you learned in science class was not fact. Just a guess. Dont worry, they'll somehow guess themselves into making this work
Image: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BYTcgrB0o4Y/TuYQK2C5JAI/AAAAAAAABHI/zCFU25Pyc-E/s1600/brainEvolution.jpeg



Until the next discovery comes along


lsutothetop
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
You're jumping the gun big time. The window isn't "closed" on bigger-picture evolution over time. Our current picture of it is out, obviously, but declaring evolution beyond a few generations "out the window" is nonsense.

And "microevolution" (which isn't a particularly useful term in the first place) is still ironclad, this does nothing to demote it to "make a case" status. We've observed single-generation and multi-generation (*to an extent) evolution with smaller organisms plenty of times over the past century. How do you think vaccine-resistant staph came to be? Why do you think we can't cure the common cold? None of that is affected by this finding.

This definitely torpedoes our current construction of the evolution of mankind from other animals, but declaring evolution dead betrays either ignorance or willful misrepresentation of the theory.


FightinTigersDammit
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
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Seems like all these fancy scientist don't know shite.




Scientists never claim to know everything. The fact that science is open to new evidence and is constantly changing to represent the newest evidence isn't some win for the religious who denounce science, but a win for science itself. Sorry you're stuck in 1850


There are scientists, however, who, having found the politically desired result they sought to find, declare the matter to be 'settled science'. Like Obamacare is 'settled law'. No new evidence needed or desired at that point.


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Bayou Self
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
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This definitely torpedoes our current construction of the evolution of mankind from other animals, but declaring evolution dead betrays either ignorance or willful misrepresentation of the theory.

Wait, we went from australopithecus africanus to human in about 2 million years, but havent 'evolved' any in the last 1.8 million?

Aint buying it

For the Darwinian challenged, this chart would represent a major evolutionary cycle every 400,000 years. But we now have human DNA that is 400,000 years old, with no changes


Image: http://mygazeta.com/i/2011/11/homo.jpg




lsutothetop
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
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Wait, we went from australopithecus africanus to human in about 2 million years, but havent 'evolved' any in the last 1.8 million?

I don't even follow where your question is coming from because I didn't say anything about it.

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For the Darwinian challenged, this chart would represent a major evolutionary cycle every 400,000 years. But we now have human DNA that is 400,000 years old, with no changes

You are aware that the specimen mentioned in the article is not an anatomically modern human, right It's a Denisovan, which is akin to a Neanderthal -- very close, but not quite, anatomically modern human.



With respect, you have not the slightest clue what you're talking about.


Bayou
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Arizona Desert
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
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Let's jjust talk about this scientific finding and leave religion out of it.

Yes, because we all know religion shapes your worldview and politics doesn't.
We're all chasing a worldview that we agree with. As long as we can eliminate religion from that equation it's easy.


Bayou
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
Anyone have an answer as to how they dated this DNA? What method was used? Do you people care?


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germandawg
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
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Sounds like the oldest human DNA is now Spain instead of Africa.


That is almost as bad if not worse...Spain is nearly as dysfunctional as Greece.....


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756
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
Its also possible their dating methods are incorrect. Something many do not want to admit. The process of age dating is far more controversial than many will admit


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RCDfan1950
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
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I don't go to church anymore and really haven't for years. I do believe in a higher power. There is no way that things such as eye sight, nerve functions and a million other things evolved in a vacuum. It defies logic that something like the pancreas could just evolve knowing it's beta cells would need to release some substance called insulin to regulate blood sugar. You are retarded if you believe there is no inteligence behind all of this. What inteligence that is is up to you. Atheist are more idiotic than religious people.


If you read, Scoop, and enjoy Science and Religion...you might find Talbot's "The Holographic Universe" interesting.

The psychological benefits of Faith are profound, as such relates to the *real* world. Even more so by the day, a the inevitable synthesis between *Natural* Intelligence and Artificial Intelligence approaches. The Singularity approaches.

A person is a fool to think that neither Love (subjective reality choice)...or Evil (Evil, defined as the opposite of Love)...do not exist. The Spirit (things of) are every bit as *real* as the *real* world. And the probability that a loving God (the sum total of Consciousness, which is the essence of Energy and Matter) would not send a "Savior" in a mold that we can comprehend to guide us through Evil and an infinite universal maze...is simply...impossible.



goatmilker
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
whoops
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Drew Orleans
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
Seems like they can't fine tune things to "know shit" unless there is a discovery made.

Dip shite.


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Powerman
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Member since Jan 2004
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
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But what's that got to do with me and me wanting some guy to die?


It has to do with you being too dense to recognize an obvious joke.


L.A.
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
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It has to do with you being too dense to recognize an obvious joke.
I know it's a joke. I just don't GET the joke. Comprende?

Powerman, seriously, I would pay you $100 to stay out of threads I start. You've become obnoxious.


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League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
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You are aware that the specimen mentioned in the article is not an anatomically modern human, right It's a Denisovan, which is akin to a Neanderthal -- very close, but not quite, anatomically modern human.

I am fully aware, but previous theory maintained that a divergence time from primates of one million years ago, and the estimated average time of divergence between Denisovan and Neanderthal sequences is 640,000 years ago, and the time between both of these and the sequences of modern humans is 804,000 years ago.

But with this find, its impossible to go from primate to Denisovan to human within a believable time span. Also, pushing this find back 400,000 years in Spain disrupts the whole evolutionary migration patterns because Denisovans were theorized to be confined to Asia.


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roygu
Member since Jan 2004
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
First Earth Age, mentioned in the Bible.


RCDfan1950
LSU Fan
United States
Member since Feb 2007
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
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First Earth Age, mentioned in the Bible.


Link?

Seriously, R...I'd like to peruse that Scripture, if you'd be so kind.



Wishnitwas1998
Tennessee Fan
Walls, Ms
Member since Oct 2010
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re: At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries
I'm not exactly sure what he's talking about and can't give a scripture other than the obvious somewhere in Genesis but maybe he means before the flood of Noah?
This post was edited on 12/5 at 12:05 pm


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