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Assad's Syria - Incredibly prescient episode of VICE from January 2017
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:08 am
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:08 am
All about Syria circa early January 2017 - it's on HBO Go or HBO on Demand - strongly encourage you to check it out. I knew next to nothing about Syria.
Takeaway is that it's clearly either Assad (moderate) or ISIS - both the rebels and the Kurds are out of the picture in terms of long term control.
It's outrageous that we're intervening and very suspicious that Assad would have called for chemical attacks on civilians at this stage of events - I can't even do the piece justice you just have to watch. Assad's Syria is actually fairly progressive - bikinis, nightclubs, women soldiers, Ryan Seacrest type morning shows with the sexy female hosts wearing makeup and tight clothing.
The most powerful part was this badass associate of Assad's speaking in perfect English (all of Assad's Syria is Western and they speak great English) about the "importance of secularism in Syria".
Takeaway is that it's clearly either Assad (moderate) or ISIS - both the rebels and the Kurds are out of the picture in terms of long term control.
It's outrageous that we're intervening and very suspicious that Assad would have called for chemical attacks on civilians at this stage of events - I can't even do the piece justice you just have to watch. Assad's Syria is actually fairly progressive - bikinis, nightclubs, women soldiers, Ryan Seacrest type morning shows with the sexy female hosts wearing makeup and tight clothing.
The most powerful part was this badass associate of Assad's speaking in perfect English (all of Assad's Syria is Western and they speak great English) about the "importance of secularism in Syria".
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Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:13 am to SirWinston
The rebellion against Assad had no reason. He was a progressive dictator where everyone loved him. Thanks Obama
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:15 am to crewdepoo
What Trump is maybe about to do (or maybe not) would be dumber than anything that Bush or Obama did IMO. Because we have a clear track record.
If Trump does it he's just a complete dumbass.
If Trump does it he's just a complete dumbass.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:18 am to crewdepoo
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Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:20 am to The Baker
He is the ruler and he doesn't want a pipeline - get over it.
No reason that we have to go to war for Israel and Saudi yet again.
No reason that we have to go to war for Israel and Saudi yet again.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 12:21 am
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:23 am to SirWinston
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He is the ruler and he doesn't want a pipeline - get over it.
He's not saying this as a moral justification for intervention, but as a plausible strategic reason. It all checks out. We just have to make up a heartstring-pluck of an event to create a moral impetus for acting, and we're well on our way.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:47 am to SirWinston
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No reason that we have to go to war for Israel and Saudi yet again.
It would dramatically undercut Russia.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 7:15 am to HempHead
yah I understood that - I'm so damn frustrated. Syria intervention would be a tragic mistake. The people there have had 5 years of war - the cities are finally stable and life is close to having a sense of normalcy. The last thing Syrians want is the US to come and reshuffle the game board.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 7:24 am to crewdepoo
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The rebellion against Assad had no reason.
A small army of bored, fanatical, nutjobs who consider your branch of Islam to be an apostasy hanging out in the western part of of Syria with no more Americans to kill in Iraq & not a woman in sight? Yeah, what could go wrong.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 7:30 am to jonboy
The question we had was - was that revolution mostly pure or not so pure (outside agitators)?
I mean IS spun off from the rebel group so my hunch is the revolution was funded by the usual suspects and religious extremists obviously favoured it as well
I mean IS spun off from the rebel group so my hunch is the revolution was funded by the usual suspects and religious extremists obviously favoured it as well
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Posted on 4/14/17 at 7:53 am to crewdepoo
I thought he killed a bunch of kids who were protesting him and that pissed off the anti-Assad portion of the country to trigger civil war?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 7:56 am to LSUGrrrl
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I thought he killed a bunch of kids who were protesting him and that pissed off the anti-Assad portion of the country to trigger civil war?
He did kill a bunch of people protesting him, that is true and they even admit that.
It's almost a mirror image of Saddam Hussein TBH. Assad is stable enough to allow secularism and Westernization of his country. He's stable enough to where many of the Syrian refugees in Europe would actually return to Syria relatively soon.
Assad's Syria isn't a bad place (many Syrians proudly think it's the most sophisticated place in all of the Middle East) - it reminded me of Iran in the 1970's - and wow the women really were very pretty in many of the clips that showed beauty pageants and beach days. I mean really pretty.
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Posted on 4/14/17 at 7:57 am to SirWinston
These rulers are not near as bad as they are made out to be here in the media. Even Sadam wasn't that bad for the majority of the Iraqi population.
Gaddafi and Assad are/were on the very progressive end of the spectrum.
frick BHO, HC, fricking McCain and the rest of those idiots.
Gaddafi and Assad are/were on the very progressive end of the spectrum.
frick BHO, HC, fricking McCain and the rest of those idiots.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 7:59 am to GREENHEAD22
yup and those people WANT a strongman leader. It's been their culture for thousands of years.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:00 am to SirWinston
Right. So it's dumb to say that the rebellion against Assad had no reason.
What if Trump had enough and droned some of the Antifa idiots. Would that be enough to trigger a civil war with our divided country? What if Obama had done so,etching like that?
What if Trump had enough and droned some of the Antifa idiots. Would that be enough to trigger a civil war with our divided country? What if Obama had done so,etching like that?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:02 am to LSUGrrrl
I think it was propped up and organized by outside players to a large extent, though. And probably 35% of the agitators weren't freedom loving liberals, but bad apples (who later literally became ISIS) and other religious fundamentalists who were looking to exploit a power vacuum.
Watching the VICE report, you get the impression that most people are happy with Assad, and those who fell short of being happy are resigned to him and just want the fighting to stop.
This video made the rounds a while back, but it's an incredible watch...
Youtube - A 5 minute history of the Syrian War
Watching the VICE report, you get the impression that most people are happy with Assad, and those who fell short of being happy are resigned to him and just want the fighting to stop.
This video made the rounds a while back, but it's an incredible watch...
Youtube - A 5 minute history of the Syrian War
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Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:04 am to SirWinston
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It's outrageous that we're intervening
It's all about Russian presence, close association with Iran and Assad allowing Hezbollah safe haven in Syria, IMO.
Russian presence: this really triggers the neocons from the Cold War era. They are deftly afraid of Russian advances in the world and they see Putin's presence in Syria as aggression toward the west. They believe that Puttin wants to make the Soviet Union great again.
Allies with Iran and safe haven for Hezbollah are a threat to Israel. Our government is FILLED with Israel firsters.
Just maybe if we can strike an alliance with Russia then we can have Assad kick Hezbollah out and cut off ties with Iran then we might allow Assad to stay in power and Syria would be an ally.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:09 am to SirWinston
Yep. I watched that when it made its rounds before. Great intro to the conflict.
I agree that the civil war has been propped up by ISIS and other outside interests. That doesn't make the initial spark not legitimate. Assad killed teen civilians. That sparked the populace to rebel. It escalated from there with outside players taking over, for the most part.
There is a Christian Syrian family on my son's basketball team. Over the last year, I've heard a pretty detailed history of the conflict from their POV. I do believe the majority of the country support Assad but he did spark this shite show by killing teen civilians and even his supporters hold him responsible for doing that and opening the country to what's happening now.
The revolt against Assad happened for legit reasons. Hell. If Trump droned ANTIFA, I'd rebel against him and our government and I support Trump.
I agree that the civil war has been propped up by ISIS and other outside interests. That doesn't make the initial spark not legitimate. Assad killed teen civilians. That sparked the populace to rebel. It escalated from there with outside players taking over, for the most part.
There is a Christian Syrian family on my son's basketball team. Over the last year, I've heard a pretty detailed history of the conflict from their POV. I do believe the majority of the country support Assad but he did spark this shite show by killing teen civilians and even his supporters hold him responsible for doing that and opening the country to what's happening now.
The revolt against Assad happened for legit reasons. Hell. If Trump droned ANTIFA, I'd rebel against him and our government and I support Trump.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:32 am to GREENHEAD22
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These rulers are not near as bad as they are made out to be here in the media. Even Sadam wasn't that bad for the majority of the Iraqi population.
Yeah, and Hitler and Pol Pot were misunderstood benevolent dictators.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:33 pm to jonboy
All three of the arab strong mens body counts combined dont even equal a quarter of either of those.
Keep your head in the sand though.
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