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re: Army cutting loose 550 Majors...

Posted on 8/3/14 at 5:28 pm to
Posted by jlc05
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 5:28 pm to
With the 550 MAJs are a shite ton of other ranks getting pink slips
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 5:34 pm to
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With the 550 MAJs are a shite ton of other ranks getting pink slips


Well yeah. Isn't the Army downsizing by 90,000 or so? Brings that 550 into perspective.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 5:44 pm to
So it's CPT's last month MAJ's this month. Probably will also cut loose e8 and 9's soon too.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 5:47 pm to
A good major would probably serve as a battalion xo in order to reach o5
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 5:48 pm to
I can't remember the number but it was about that much if not more.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 5:52 pm to
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I can't remember the number but it was about that much if not more.


I've seen between 75 and 130,000. A lot of it will be handled by recruiting standards and normal attrition. But yeah, people are going to be marshalled out.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:16 pm to
quote:

I'll wait of Wolfhound's opinion, but this seems like a good thing to me.


My apologies, tied up all day.

This is a structure issue. If you decrease the mllitary by (x) number of battalions and brigades, then you are going to need decrease by (y) number of majors (and eventually lieutenant colonels) on those staffs. I enlisted in 1981 out of high school and was commissioned as an officer in 1991 (Army ROTC). I have seen this happen two other times before. I think we are doing a pretty good job but not everyone is going to be happy. Some good people (and some not so good people) are being let go. The system cannot be perfect. But with all due respect, it is not a purge of the military by President Obama.

From a strategic planning perspective, we use various types of reviews to determine what the mission and structure of the Army is going to be and also end strength. Bottom line, we are assuming risk and that is (in my opinion) not a bad thing. We cannot have everything. From a cost savings standpoint, the easiest way to save money is to cut personnel. I know that sounds brutal (it is), but it is the truth.

Where I take issue is with systems development and procurement. Much of that is driven by Congressional pork and (as mentioned about the F-35) once it starts it is nearly impossible to stop. That is (often) not a decision by mililtary leaders. That is the U.S. Congress. We walk a fine line with them when it comes to what we request and what we get.

Just a quick ramble. Hopefully not a wall of text.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
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68462 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:29 pm to
Going to be doing more with less. Area beautification time
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:30 pm to
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Just a quick ramble. Hopefully not a wall of text.


I remember when Phil Spector revolutionized posting with his 'Wall of Text' style......
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:34 pm to
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Going to be doing more with less. Area beautification time


My last two Commanders and current Director (one 4-star, two 3-stars) have said that the policy-makers will have to accept that we're going to be doing "less with less".

I got a chubby. Enough with the catch-phrases. Deployed servicemembers are already working 10 or more per day 6-7 days per week. There's only so much blood to squeeze.

If we're scaling back to post-war (WWII) lows, we have to re-evaluate commitments and priorities.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:36 pm to
quote:

Going to be doing more with less. Area beautification time


Sadly, yes. OMA funding is going to be cut as well and that means (as you are well aware) less time in the field. Less fuel, less maintenance, fewer parts, less class V, etc.

Operation Clean Sweep at Bragg.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
1200 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 7:45 pm to
So it will be like it was during the Clinton Administration. No money for training or anything else. Glad I got out after my 5 year commitment was up.

During the 90's the Army was cut from 22 divisions to 11.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 7:51 pm to
Well you won't ever be an officer without playing politics, so that makes sense
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

During the 90's the Army was cut from 22 divisions to 11.
so the Army was basically cut in half in the 90's?


I don't know id it was THATT drastic, was it? (I really have no clue)


Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
34652 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 8:03 pm to
A lot of these cuts have been in the mill for a few years....

Something to keep in mind....promotion rates to major in the 2004-6 time frame was well over 90%....

My active duty year group of FY 1976 had less than a 60% overall promotion rate to Major and we didn't have any of the stuff that these people will be getting....

Some of these majors will simply be retired at the 18 year point
Posted by AFtigerFan
Ohio
Member since Feb 2008
3253 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 8:39 pm to
Air Force just went through some of this. TERA (temporary early retirement authority) and other programs were implemented for those that got the boot that had at least 15 years in. So they were retired instead of just a severance pay. Obviously they received less than the 50% of base pay, but it was still retirement.
Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 8:41 pm to
Yep, all of our departments.
Posted by OleWar
Troy H. Middleton Library
Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 10:51 pm to
1. Based on reduction in force structure and super high officer to enlisted ratio- this is necessary.

2. The way the Army does this is horrible. Centralized Selection Boards are retarded and don't make sense for modern professional armies. No other institution in the world hires, fires, schools and promotes like the Army, and most of the incompetence exhibited since WWII is a result of this.

3. Personally, I feel bad for the CPTs and MAJs, especially combat arms officers, who have spent the last ten to fifteen years generally deployed in junior officer positions in the suck, who the Army enticed into staying and gave their young adulthood to their Nation. Meanwhile senior field grades and general officers who have mismanaged the wars walk away with retirements and corrupt post retirement hook ups.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125410 posts
Posted on 8/4/14 at 3:53 am to
lol this ant on Obama

force reduction is happening in all branches and it needs to happen

like Navytiger said its 550 at most

the AF thought we were going to cut like 30K+ enlisted and a shite ton of officers as well. After all the programs to get out on your own and actually breaking down the numbers. The people getting the boot is in the 3k range.
This post was edited on 8/4/14 at 3:58 am
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