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re: Arkansas gearing up to go on a killing spree
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:13 am to chRxis
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:13 am to chRxis
quote:If they cannot recompense their victims they pay with one coin.
there are plenty of other things that you could do with an inmate, other than kill them.... or *gasp* actually try to rehabilitate them, rather than institutionalize them...
Their life.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:45 am to chRxis
quote:
because it's a money making operation...
Gotcha. So in our compassion they should be free.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:49 am to llfshoals
quote:
If they cannot recompense their victims they pay with one coin.
Their life.
ok, so repay one death with another? and what does that solve? how have we gotten to a state of civilization where we are totally OK with actively killing people in the name of "repayment"?
have that many of us forgotten thou shall not kill, even though so many of you like to tell us how good and Christian you are?
Posted on 3/19/17 at 1:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Gotcha.
quote:
So in our compassion they should be free.
what, jails? or the inmates?
dude, i'm not even sure YOU understand what you are trying to say anymore....
it's cool... it's late... at least here it is... Roger, i like you bro, always have tbh... we have both had our struggles with substance abuse, and i think that has something to do with it... but we'll just have to agree to disagree...
Posted on 3/19/17 at 1:08 am to chRxis
quote:They won't kill anyone else. That's a certainty, anything else is hoping they won't.
ok, so repay one death with another? and what does that solve?
quote:
how have we gotten to a state of civilization where we are totally OK with actively killing people in the name of "repayment"?
Because they were fine with taking a person's life. It is only fair theirs is forfeit in exchange.
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have that many of us forgotten thou shall not kill, even though so many of you like to tell us how good and Christian you are?
I'm guessing you failed to notice they didn't live by that commandment. If they don't believe in it why should I?
Posted on 3/19/17 at 2:08 am to Draconian Sanctions
I'm fine with anything that reduces the number of Arkansans from the general population.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 7:09 am to CorporateTiger
quote:Actually they are quite rare.
Post-execution DNA exonerations haven't exactly been rare. H
Posted on 3/19/17 at 7:15 am to Draconian Sanctions
Just to flesh this out a bit...
Bruce Ward - while leaving the restroom area of a convenience store, Ward was stopped by a cop looking for 18yo convenience store clerk Rebecca Doss whom he hadn't found inside the store. Ward said she was in the rear of the store doing stocking. She was found on the floor of the men's room, strangled to death. Ward has a previous conviction for voluntary manslaughter of another woman.
Marcel Williams - convicted of murder, kidnapping, rape, aggravated robbery. Carjacked and abducted 23 yo Stacy Erikkson who was on her way to work and stopped for gas. Took her to several ATMs to make withdrawals. Subsequently confessed, leading police to evidence that provided confirmation.
Jason McGehee - torture and murder of a 15yo boy who'd been detained by police while trying to cash a forged check for McGehee. The boy admitted the truth, implicating McGehee and others, and was left in a wooded area, dead, strangled, and naked.
Kenneth Williams - Williams received a death sentence for the October 3, 1999 slaying of 57-year-old Cecil Boren after Williams broke out of the Cummins Unit at Varner. He had been serving a sentence of life without parole in the slaying of University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff cheerleader Dominique "Nikki" Hurd. Also, confessed to a 3rd murder (1998) in a letter to a newspaper.
Stacey Johnson - murder and rape of Carol Heath, identified by her 6yo daughter who hid with 2yo brother in a closet. Convicted in two separate trials.
Ledell Lee - Sentenced to death on October 16, 1995 for the February 9, 1993 beating and strangling death of Debra Reese, 26. Also convicted of raping two Jacksonville women. DNA evidence tied Lee to the murders and rapes. Reese was struck 36 times with a tire tool her husband gave her for protection while he was out of town on a truck driving job. Lee had just been paroled after serving time for burglary.
Don Davis - 1990 execution-style killing of Jane Daniels, 62, of Rogers, Arkansas. Davis, committing a series of burglaries and using a .44 caliber Magnum revolver he had stolen earlier, shot her once in the head in a storeroom in her house. Arrested in New Mexico after his roommates went to the police with their suspicions about his involvement. Most of the stolen objects were recovered and traced back to Davis.
Jack Jones - Mary Phillips, 34, robbed, raped and murdered at her bookkeeping job. Her daughter, Lacey, age 11 (present because Mary was taking her to a Dentist), was tied to a chair in another room, pistol whipped so severely that skull fragments penetrated her brain, and strangled, but did not die. She woke up as investigators were taking crime scene photos. Jones' DNA later connected him to the 10yo murder of Lorraine Barrett, 32, in Ft. Lauderdale.
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Cases seem pretty solid to me. Look 'em up.
Bruce Ward - while leaving the restroom area of a convenience store, Ward was stopped by a cop looking for 18yo convenience store clerk Rebecca Doss whom he hadn't found inside the store. Ward said she was in the rear of the store doing stocking. She was found on the floor of the men's room, strangled to death. Ward has a previous conviction for voluntary manslaughter of another woman.
Marcel Williams - convicted of murder, kidnapping, rape, aggravated robbery. Carjacked and abducted 23 yo Stacy Erikkson who was on her way to work and stopped for gas. Took her to several ATMs to make withdrawals. Subsequently confessed, leading police to evidence that provided confirmation.
Jason McGehee - torture and murder of a 15yo boy who'd been detained by police while trying to cash a forged check for McGehee. The boy admitted the truth, implicating McGehee and others, and was left in a wooded area, dead, strangled, and naked.
Kenneth Williams - Williams received a death sentence for the October 3, 1999 slaying of 57-year-old Cecil Boren after Williams broke out of the Cummins Unit at Varner. He had been serving a sentence of life without parole in the slaying of University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff cheerleader Dominique "Nikki" Hurd. Also, confessed to a 3rd murder (1998) in a letter to a newspaper.
Stacey Johnson - murder and rape of Carol Heath, identified by her 6yo daughter who hid with 2yo brother in a closet. Convicted in two separate trials.
Ledell Lee - Sentenced to death on October 16, 1995 for the February 9, 1993 beating and strangling death of Debra Reese, 26. Also convicted of raping two Jacksonville women. DNA evidence tied Lee to the murders and rapes. Reese was struck 36 times with a tire tool her husband gave her for protection while he was out of town on a truck driving job. Lee had just been paroled after serving time for burglary.
Don Davis - 1990 execution-style killing of Jane Daniels, 62, of Rogers, Arkansas. Davis, committing a series of burglaries and using a .44 caliber Magnum revolver he had stolen earlier, shot her once in the head in a storeroom in her house. Arrested in New Mexico after his roommates went to the police with their suspicions about his involvement. Most of the stolen objects were recovered and traced back to Davis.
Jack Jones - Mary Phillips, 34, robbed, raped and murdered at her bookkeeping job. Her daughter, Lacey, age 11 (present because Mary was taking her to a Dentist), was tied to a chair in another room, pistol whipped so severely that skull fragments penetrated her brain, and strangled, but did not die. She woke up as investigators were taking crime scene photos. Jones' DNA later connected him to the 10yo murder of Lorraine Barrett, 32, in Ft. Lauderdale.
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Cases seem pretty solid to me. Look 'em up.
This post was edited on 3/19/17 at 7:19 am
Posted on 3/19/17 at 7:16 am to chRxis
quote:
value of life
What value? We aren't executing thiefs and potheads.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 7:25 am to Scoop
quote:
I'm fine with anything that reduces the number of Arkansans from the general population.
Do I need to move first?
Posted on 3/19/17 at 7:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
I prefer street justice.
I've always wondered what the reaction would be if we moved to an exile system for major violent felonies where instead of keeping them in prison for life, we exiled them to some island.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 7:36 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:How do you equate the constitutional administration of justice to "killing spree"? Please elaborate on how you arrived at this choice of words.
Arkansas gearing up to go on a killing spree
Just wondering why you chose this as opposed to "eradicating the vermin from society that threaten your very existence"?
Posted on 3/19/17 at 7:39 am to chRxis
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all you are left with is more dead people...
The only thing wrong with the death penalty is the time it takes to execute it.
What we need is the surety of having a body swinging from the gallows shortly after apprehension and conviction.
As it is, the death penalty has little deterrent effect because it is so disassociated wth the event of the crime.
As for 'confessions' = imho, they are worthless unless uttered in court in front of a jury or you have video evidence of its being uttered that captures the context. They are important in the investigation to ensure that you have the right man in your prosecutorial sights.
I disagree with not being able to use evidence obtained prior to "mirandizing' the suspect. Either the information obtained is useful or it is not - to hell with protecting a GUILTY person from unwittingly revealing his GUILT. Of course, there has to be EXTREME penalties to make sure that no LEO tries to "beat a confession" out of a suspect = hence my aversion to 'confessions' as evidence.
But, if a murderer inadvertently drops info that absolutely ties him to the crime, them boo-the-f'n-hoo. He should not have committed the crime, or been smarter.
I want more use of the death penalty - PROMPTLY applied = saves $$$$.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 7:48 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:
But, if a murderer inadvertently drops info that absolutely ties him to the crime, them boo-the-f'n-hoo. He should not have committed the crime, or been smarter.
You seem not to understand Miranda. If police walk in and the guy starts shooting off at the mouth unprompted, it can be used against him. Police may not begin questioning an individual without giving them their Miranda warning. If they do, anything they learn would likely be excluded.
In a nutshell, things are already the way you want them, but you just didn't know it
Posted on 3/19/17 at 7:59 am to ChexMix
Please expand on your bullshite claim please. It amazes me that all the sheeple on this board agree with you for the most part.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 8:16 am to chRxis
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I'd bet good money you would consider yourself either religious or Christian or whatever.... if so, why is it that "life" matters so MUCH when it's about a fetus, yet if it's a kid of a mother on food stamps, or it's a critical care patient who can't afford healthcare, or even a convicted murderer, that "life" no longer matters?
I'd bet good money that you're utterly clueless about what the Bible...in both the Old and New Testaments...says about the specific issue of capital punishment.
Romans 13:
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
This post was edited on 3/19/17 at 8:20 am
Posted on 3/19/17 at 8:26 am to BamaGradinTn
I wonder how many "Christian conservatives" were in favor of overthrowing Sadam Hussein's authority.
Had they simply read their bibles and realized he was ordained by god, we could have saved trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. It's a shame, really.
Had they simply read their bibles and realized he was ordained by god, we could have saved trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. It's a shame, really.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 8:29 am to Draconian Sanctions
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It never ceases to amaze me that conservatives don't trust the government to administer a food stamp program but do trust it to carry out executions of its citizens
As a conservative that doesn't trust the govt, I would be willing to forego the execution of convicted murderers, if you would forego the desire to kill innocents that havent even been born yet?
No, that's a deal breaker for your side. You use abortion as some form of population control, yet a known killer, somehow has value in your world
Posted on 3/19/17 at 8:30 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:
want more use of the death penalty - PROMPTLY applied = saves $$$$.
This
Also, rapists should be castrated. That is all
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