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re: Ari Fleischer rips media for coverage of Pence walkout: 'Bias in action'
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:03 pm to moneyg
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:03 pm to moneyg
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The Vice president of the United States expressing displeasure with a misdirected and mistimed protest against the flag and the anthem makes a ton of sense. He didn't go to an event whose purpose was to protest.
The cast of Hamilton again offered a mistimed and misguided criticism of a public figure when he was simply consuming the product.
It's amazing to me that you don't see this.
Oh this is lovely
So under that rubric, Pence is to be celebrated for political activism during a football game, but if someone had addressed him during a football game, it would have been inappropriate because he was simply consuming the product?
Am I doing it right?
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:48 pm to Joshjrn
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Pence blew through taxpayer dollars to make a football game all about him and then whine on social media. The cast of Hamilton politely addressed a public figure after a performance.
VP Pence honored the cast of Hamilton by attending their play and in exchange the no class cast of Hamilton harassed Pence when he was leaving.
Likewise, VP Pence was honoring both football teams by attending the game and the no class 49ers' football players insulted VP Pence by kneeling during the National Anthem so VP Pence walked out on them in protest.
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Takes an absolutely incredible level of cognitive dissonance to applaud the former and revile the latter. I have to say, I'm impressed
You just can't handle that VP Pence beat the protesters at their own game.
BTW, it was fantastic to watch those sore loser lefties on the SF 49ers lose in overtime!
They should kneel less and practice more so that maybe one day they can win a game.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:51 pm to Joshjrn
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People are saying that Pence going to a game in which he knew players would kneel with the intention of leaving once said kneeling occurred is a PR stunt.
You're right. He should never go to another sporting event.
He was damned if he did, damned if he didnt. Had he stayed, you would be hearing all types of stuff about "Wow I cannot believe Pence stayed and supported the players who knelt."
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:04 pm to DawgfaninCa
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VP Pence honored the cast of Hamilton by attending their play and in exchange the no class cast of Hamilton harassed Pence when he was leaving.
Likewise, VP Pence was honoring both football teams by attending the game and the no class 49ers' football players insulted VP Pence by kneeling during the National Anthem so VP Pence walked out on them in protest.
Honored them? For frick's sake, he's not a fricking deity. He's a human being. I swear, some of you have managed to be more creepily obsessed than the Obamabots before you, and that's quite a feat
Harassed Pence. Insulted Pence. All about Pence. The players taking a knee during the anthem had absolutely nothing to do with Pence. Agree or disagree with their protest, but they were taking a knee long before Pence showed up to a football game and will continue taking a knee long after.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:06 pm to HailToTheChiz
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He was damned if he did, damned if he didnt. Had he stayed, you would be hearing all types of stuff about "Wow I cannot believe Pence stayed and supported the players who knelt."
Pence watching a football game in which the opposing fricking team did something he didn't like has zero to do with what he does or doesn't support. Had they said that, they would have been idiotic political shills, and I would be right here alongside you calling out their bullshite.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:13 pm to Joshjrn
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VP Pence honored the cast of Hamilton by attending their play and in exchange the no class cast of Hamilton harassed Pence when he was leaving.
Likewise, VP Pence was honoring both football teams by attending the game and the no class 49ers' football players insulted VP Pence by kneeling during the National Anthem so VP Pence walked out on them in protest.
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Honored them? For frick's sake, he's not a fricking deity.
You sore loser lefties should talk. You kissed the ground that your god, the great Obama, walked upon.
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Harassed Pence. Insulted Pence. All about Pence. The players taking a knee during the anthem had absolutely nothing to do with Pence. Agree or disagree with their protest, but they were taking a knee long before Pence showed up to a football game and will continue taking a knee long after.
Pence is the VPOTUS. The players should be honored that the VP was attending their game and if they had any class they would have suspended their protest for the game because the VP was there .
However, they exposed themselves for the no class losers that they are.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:19 pm to DawgfaninCa
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You sore loser lefties should talk. You kissed the ground that your god, the great Obama walked upon.
Not a "lefty" and no I didn't. Unlike you, who seems to worship a couple of politicians.
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Pence is the VPOTUS. The players should be honored that the VP was attending their game and if they had any class they would have suspended their protest for the game VP.
They play in the NFL. The average person treats them like celebrities. Hell, celebrities treat them like celebrities. I seriously doubt they care much about Pence attending their game, or whether Biden did before him. Again, watching conservatives deify politicians is beyond bizarre.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:28 pm to Joshjrn
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You sore loser lefties should talk. You kissed the ground that your god, the great Obama walked upon.
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Not a "lefty" and no I didn't.
Sure you're not and sure you didn't.
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Unlike you, who seems to worship a couple of politicians.
Unlike you, I worship the US Constitution and I support the politicians who defend it.
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They play in the NFL. The average person treats them like celebrities. Hell, celebrities treat them like celebrities.
Only dumb people treat them like celebrities.
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I seriously doubt they care much about Pence attending their game, or whether Biden did before him. Again, watching conservatives deify politicians is beyond bizarre.
I seriously doubt that you know what you are talking about.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:31 pm to Joshjrn
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So under that rubric, Pence is to be celebrated for political activism during a football game,
No idiot...quite the opposite. He's reacting to political activism against two "sacred" institutions of our nation. It's totally expected and reasonable for him to reject that as Vice President.
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but if someone had addressed him during a football game, it would have been inappropriate because he was simply consuming the product?
It's the same issue. Others are playing politics during the game. Those who choose to make political statements during a performance or game are the ones who should be criticized.
Again, I'm amazed your blind to this.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:34 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Sure you're not and sure you didn't.
Go ahead, check my post history. It's not like I'm new. You've got over 9k posts spanning almost a decade. Ban bet on whether you can find a single post of my deifying Obama?
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Unlike you, I worship the US Constitution and I support the politicians who defend it.
I assume you mean that you support the politicians who defend what you believe to be the "correct" interpretation of the Constitution, right?
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:39 pm to moneyg
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No idiot...quite the opposite. He's reacting to political activism against two "sacred" institutions of our nation. It's totally expected and reasonable for him to reject that as Vice President.
Already with the name calling? And here I thought we were having a reasonable conversation like a couple of adults. Shame.
For the record, I don't care that Pence went out of his way to make a political statement. I take a bit of umbrage with him using taxpayer dollars to do it all while creating a security clusterfrick that the stadium had to deal with, but that's separate and apart from the statement itself. I'm not in any way criticizing him for the stance he has taken, just like I in no way criticized the cast of Hamilton for their addressing him. I'd like to think we live in a country in which no one is above being addressed or redressed, no matter what Dawgfan thinks about our needing to protect the apparently delicate sensibilities of our elected officials.
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It's the same issue. Others are playing politics during the game. Those who choose to make political statements during a performance or game are the ones who should be criticized. Again, I'm amazed your blind to this.
See above.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:47 pm to Joshjrn
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For the record, I don't care that Pence went out of his way to make a political statement.
He was rejecting a political statement...at a football game. I think the distinction is important because he isn't forcing his political stance on those at the game to see the game.
The players are using football, which has nothing to do with the protest itself. They've chosen to piss off people because they think it furthers their cause. A response to that protest by fans or even the Vice President is not equally misplaced. And, it's crazy to equate them.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:48 pm to Joshjrn
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Not a "lefty" and no I didn't. Unlike you, who seems to worship a couple of politicians.
When someone has to purposefully point out they aren't something is a sign that they are to make their argument sound better.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:53 pm to moneyg
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The players are using football, which has nothing to do with the protest itself. They've chosen to piss off people because they think it furthers their cause. A response to that protest by fans or even the Vice President is not equally misplaced. And, it's crazy to equate them.
I would like to start by saying that I have no issue with the time and place of players kneeling, and I have no issue with the time and place of Pence doing what he did.
With that said, I think your attempts at a time and place distinction is unfair (god I hate that word...). Mike Pence is the Vice President of the United States. Anytime he wants to speak, some news organization will put a microphone and TV camera in front of him. He has immense power to reach the public.
NFL players, on the other hand, get the attention of the media and populace for about three hours a week, unless they do or say something tremendously fricking stupid. If they want to shine a light on something, they have a finite amount of time to do so.
On a related note, Olympic athletes have an even shorter shelf life, so I have zero issue with this:
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:54 pm to sms151t
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When someone has to purposefully point out they aren't something is a sign that they are to make their argument sound better.
I had to purposefully "point out" something because I was flat out accused of said something with zero foundation and merit
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:08 pm to Joshjrn
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so I have zero issue with this
You are entitled to your opinion.
I, like many others, do not want political statements being made during a game in which I spend hundreds of dollars to attend. I didn't come to discuss politics. I especially didn't come to discuss politics on an issue that is extremely divisive. So, I vehemently disagree.
The players don't have the same platform as the VP. That's true. It doesn't justify their decision to protest during the game and it doesn't equate that decision with those who choose to object to it.
Personally, I think choosing to disrespect the flag for any cause is out of line. A person trying to raise awareness for childhood cancer by burning the flag is wrong.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:09 pm to Joshjrn
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Unlike you, I worship the US Constitution and I support the politicians who defend it.
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I assume you mean that you support the politicians who defend what you believe to be the "correct" interpretation of the Constitution, right?
Nope.
I support the politicians who know what the "correct' interpretation of the US Constitution is and defend it not the politicians who try to muddy the waters so they can claim the US Constitution is ambiguous in order to redefine the meaning of it to suit their political agenda.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:17 pm to Joshjrn
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On a related note, Olympic athletes have an even shorter shelf life, so I have zero issue with this:
Amazing isn't it that the U.S. is the only country in the Olympics that has athletes who openly denigrate their country?
And you have no problem with that. Jeez.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:18 pm to moneyg
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Personally, I think choosing to disrespect the flag for any cause is out of line. A person trying to raise awareness for childhood cancer by burning the flag is wrong.
Interesting that you choose the flag burning imagery. Would you explain why you equate taking a quiet knee during the national anthem to setting the flag on fire?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:19 pm to Homesick Tiger
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Amazing isn't it that the U.S. is the only country in the Olympics that has athletes who openly denigrate their country?
And you have no problem with that. Jeez.
Openly denigrate? This country was "openly denigrating" black people in 1968 vastly more than black people were denigrating this country.
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