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re: Are you in favor of increasing the use of privatized prisons?
Posted on 2/25/17 at 4:23 pm to Jake88
Posted on 2/25/17 at 4:23 pm to Jake88
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Yes. More prisons. I'm not stuck on it being privately run, as I said, GEO has a sorry history.
You do realize that public prisons suffer from the "profiting to keep people locked up" syndrome as well right?
local prisons in Louisiana profit from "warehousing".
Do you think this is really what prison was intended to do? How does this system help anyone except the prison itself?
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Posted on 2/25/17 at 4:35 pm to Jake88
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What is a nonviolent offender? Do any of these studies bother to look at the RAP sheet for these offenders? Do they look at the plea deals that got charges dropped or pled down? Do they look at what the prior two strikes were? Or, as is more likely, they look only at the instant offense.
read this article if you want to understand how this was handled
Basically each inmate must plea their case to a judge and the judge decides whether or not any time or early release is in the best interest of the prisoner and society.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 4:35 pm to Tiger Tracker
There are not enough people in prison. How many times do we hear of a murderer with a violent past who shouldn't have been on the streets. As I said earlier, I've seen people walk into court with histories that should have seen them in prison for decades.
There are a significant number of people who simply don't belong on the streets. All they do is spread misery to the innocent. That requires more prisons. The system isn't perfect and people will always have something to complain about, but the alternative is unacceptable to me.
There are a significant number of people who simply don't belong on the streets. All they do is spread misery to the innocent. That requires more prisons. The system isn't perfect and people will always have something to complain about, but the alternative is unacceptable to me.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 4:36 pm to Jake88
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That requires more prisons
Or, more severe public corporal punishment.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 4:39 pm to Jake88
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The system isn't perfect and people will always have something to complain about, but the alternative is unacceptable to me.
What is the alternative? No one is arguing about locking up violent murderers and keeping them off the streets. We're talking about two completely separate issues here. Some people will never be able to reform, but the system as a whole shouldn't be about profit and locking people up forever. That's why the reform came. Mass incarceration is a failure, especially when it is for profit.
Eta: what does this even mean?
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There are not enough people in prison.
Based on what?
This post was edited on 2/25/17 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 2/25/17 at 4:41 pm to DavidTheGnome
frick no.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 4:43 pm to Tiger Tracker
Interesting story, but it doesn't define what a nonviolent offender is.
I wonder if anyone will do a follow up study of the outcomes.
I wonder if anyone will do a follow up study of the outcomes.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 4:51 pm to Tiger Tracker
Based on the people with violent histories out on the streets. Go sit in a criminal court and observe for a few days.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 4:56 pm to Jake88
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Yes. More prisons
So... we already incarcerate people at a higher rate than almost any nation on Earth and you would argue its still too low. I guess my question for you is why is America such a criminal nation? What is it you think about the US that makes more of our citizens criminals than almost anywhere else in the world? Are Americans just lower in character and constitution than the British, the French or the Australians (a nation at least in large part made up of the descendants of convicts)?
And if you disagree with that assessment of the US (I do) why do think we should imprison more people per capita than any other country?
This post was edited on 2/25/17 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 2/25/17 at 5:05 pm to montanagator
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I guess my question for you is why is America such a criminal nation? What is it you think about thw US that makes more of our citizens criminals than almost anywhere else in the world?
We do have a higher crime rate than most other first world nations, right? Our incarceration numbers would be higher. Why highest in the world? Better police work. Do third world nations with millions and millions crammed into ghettos really care about solving crimes in those areas? I doubt it. Why are Americans more criminal? I'm not certain, but the numbers bear it out, don't they?
This post was edited on 2/25/17 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 2/25/17 at 5:07 pm to DavidTheGnome
I own 4 that I purchased with bitcoin so yes I do support.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 5:12 pm to Powerman
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And it's definitely not a good thing that the Trump administration wants to enforce federal marijuana laws.
Every shitlib, fake news blogger, and stoner I know have been losing their minds over this in the past 24 hours.
All because Spicer said he "believes" the Trump administration will enforce federal marijuana laws.
You guys have lost your minds and credibility.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 5:17 pm to DavidTheGnome
No, not in favor of it.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 5:17 pm to AZTarheeel
If Trump went soft on marijuana I think the Left would be paralyzed by internal conflict.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 5:19 pm to Jake88
Trump ran for President after spending the better part of a decade creating ready-to-go capital, logistics, branding, etc., for a nationwide marijuana business. The only way to make sure it happened? Shitpost his way to the White House and rake in the billions.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 5:22 pm to HempHead
I hope he pushes to ensure it's a states' rights issue and uses it as a teaching moment.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 5:22 pm to dpd901
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While in general I support the notion that private industry can do most things better, cheaper and more efficiently than government, there shouldn't be incentive for keeping people imprisoned.
everyone who makes this argument is over thinking the whole thing.
rather than just giving x ammount per prisoner, Give incentives for prisons who get early releases and good behavior. Fine ones with shitty behavior.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 5:24 pm to Robin Masters
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The problem is when those private dollars are able to influence decisions made by public officials via lobbying.
You don't think Public Sector Unions lobby?
Posted on 2/25/17 at 5:27 pm to Gusoline
Don't the prisons get paid based on a 90-95% occupancy rate? If that's the case, and it is in some, the incentive is to have occupancy below that number to maximize profits.
This post was edited on 2/25/17 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 2/25/17 at 5:48 pm to Jake88
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There are not enough people in prison.
What would be the right amount? The US has the highest percentage of its citizens behind bars than any nation on Earth, and we need more? What's the goal of having so many people behind bars?
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