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Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:29 am
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Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:44 am to msutiger
As a conservative professor and administrator, I have thought a lot about this. Here are a couple of things I have come up with.
1. Tenure should be more difficult to receive and should be reserved for the best of the best. It should be an honor and it will be treated as such. As you said, academic freedom has become a license to act like a damn fool.
2. Parents have to step up and become part of the decision process. 17 year old kids aren't equipped to make a college decision. Guidance counselors are mostly idiots in our high schools and parents are blinded by the way things were when they went to college.
Research the department that will be shaping your child. Talk to the professors. If they won't talk to you, move on. Don't be blinded by the three S's. Size, sizzle and sports really don't matter to the vast majority of students.
3. Alumni have to put pressure on the school. A lot of big donors at schools like Centenary and Millsaps are conservatives that attended 50 years ago. Those two schools are liberal utopias now. Not a cent of my fathers money goes to Millsaps anymore.
1. Tenure should be more difficult to receive and should be reserved for the best of the best. It should be an honor and it will be treated as such. As you said, academic freedom has become a license to act like a damn fool.
2. Parents have to step up and become part of the decision process. 17 year old kids aren't equipped to make a college decision. Guidance counselors are mostly idiots in our high schools and parents are blinded by the way things were when they went to college.
Research the department that will be shaping your child. Talk to the professors. If they won't talk to you, move on. Don't be blinded by the three S's. Size, sizzle and sports really don't matter to the vast majority of students.
3. Alumni have to put pressure on the school. A lot of big donors at schools like Centenary and Millsaps are conservatives that attended 50 years ago. Those two schools are liberal utopias now. Not a cent of my fathers money goes to Millsaps anymore.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:55 am to anc
I agree with everything here. I'll also add a pitch for more principled conservatives to choose education as a career path. You won't find your salary ceiling to be as high as the private market, but the work actually does matter a great deal.
If we want college campuses to teach our future generations the value in conservative principles, then conservatives have to choose to become involved in the education of those future generations
If we want college campuses to teach our future generations the value in conservative principles, then conservatives have to choose to become involved in the education of those future generations
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:58 am to funnystuff
We need more males choosing education. The ones that do are almost always coaches or administrators.
A child entering kindergarten has a 72 percent chance of never having a male teacher through 12th grade. In a world of fatherless homes, this isn't helping things.
A child entering kindergarten has a 72 percent chance of never having a male teacher through 12th grade. In a world of fatherless homes, this isn't helping things.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:59 am to msutiger
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Academic freedom is a problem
Yeah, there's none.
You either preach the left gospel and publish new papers for their growing new left testament or you are a dinasour, shunned and censored.
Over the last 20 years you can read stories of normal and maybe right leaning academics who challenge some left orthodoxy on one of their holy grails...like climate change, race, gender nullification, etc...And it's like these profs have to go underground...Or are forced out.
You can't fix colleges because fix has to come from within...And no viewpoints that question the left's Cannon will be tolerated, allowed on campus or employed by the University.
This post was edited on 12/27/16 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:06 pm to anc
Wow, I had no idea the distribution of teachers was that skewed, that's a ridiculously high number. Is this for certain demographics/areas or the whole-nation average? That would indicate that something like 97-98% of K-12 educators are female, no?
And can you link the study by chance? While I know the distribution is skewed, that seems excessive.
And can you link the study by chance? While I know the distribution is skewed, that seems excessive.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:11 pm to msutiger
The colleges lost focus on what their job is.
Their job is to provide courses aka training to prepare people for certain skills in the real world.
Business mgmt an employer should expect a person with this degree to still need training but have a basic understanding of the task.
Nursing an employer may understand they are green, but have basic understanding of the job.
Engineer, teacher, accounting major, etc an employer should expect they come into the company with the basic skills. They still have a learning curve but it should not take as long to catch on.
When colleges offer degrees in gender studies, basket weaving the political correct way, or racial studies does that really benefit society? They need to scrap those degrees and focus on degrees employers need or will help that person survive in the real world.
They are no different than a school that provides a vocation such a auto tech school, beauty school, barber school, air conditioning training, etc.
Would you teach chasty belt making or stage coach driving at a vo tech and expect those students to be successful in making a living?
Their job is to provide courses aka training to prepare people for certain skills in the real world.
Business mgmt an employer should expect a person with this degree to still need training but have a basic understanding of the task.
Nursing an employer may understand they are green, but have basic understanding of the job.
Engineer, teacher, accounting major, etc an employer should expect they come into the company with the basic skills. They still have a learning curve but it should not take as long to catch on.
When colleges offer degrees in gender studies, basket weaving the political correct way, or racial studies does that really benefit society? They need to scrap those degrees and focus on degrees employers need or will help that person survive in the real world.
They are no different than a school that provides a vocation such a auto tech school, beauty school, barber school, air conditioning training, etc.
Would you teach chasty belt making or stage coach driving at a vo tech and expect those students to be successful in making a living?
This post was edited on 12/27/16 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:12 pm to msutiger
If this is such a problem, why don't conservative people become educated and start educating?
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:12 pm to msutiger
The "white genocide" professor needs a good old fashioned arse kicking. I'm not talking about causing great bodily harm , just a couple good shots to the nose and lips to watch him drop and cry like the little bitch he is.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:18 pm to msutiger
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Where is the middle ground? How do we transform our college campuses from brain washing stations to actual places of education?
Cut the social sciences departments and keep the STEM subjects. Liberals Arts degrees are often useless.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:25 pm to msutiger
Why do you want to micromanage and control what college professors say? Purging the intellectuals is third world dictator stuff. Or is it that you want to force college professors to be your instruments of indoctrination? We would all hope that they would not bend to your maniacal demand for obedience.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:27 pm to red racker
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Cut the social sciences departments and keep the STEM subjects. Liberals Arts degrees are often useless.
::steps to the microphone::
Wrong.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:34 pm to msutiger
quote:Stop shutting down free speech. UChicago Dean of Students has it about right FTR.
Are college campuses a lost cause? If not, how do we fix them?
U Chicago to Freshmen: Don't Expect Safe Spaces
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:45 pm to NC_Tigah
In the early 90s there was real debate about speech codes popping up on campuses like Stanford and Berkeley.
The majority viewpoint was that college campuses were not the proper venue to curb any speech, thought or ideas no matter how hateful, sexist or bigoted
...And the stuff they were trying to ban back then wasn't the snowflake SJW stuff today.
The speech codes were getting shut down as official codes produced by the University.
But then, the battle was over. Code went underground and overnight was just there... Unwritten. The codes just crept into the expected campus lexicon.
The debate was over even though just as late as 1995 people saw University-sanctioned campus censorship as abhorrent.
What the hell happened in the childhoods of post-1995 babies to make them grow up so fricked up?
The majority viewpoint was that college campuses were not the proper venue to curb any speech, thought or ideas no matter how hateful, sexist or bigoted
...And the stuff they were trying to ban back then wasn't the snowflake SJW stuff today.
The speech codes were getting shut down as official codes produced by the University.
But then, the battle was over. Code went underground and overnight was just there... Unwritten. The codes just crept into the expected campus lexicon.
The debate was over even though just as late as 1995 people saw University-sanctioned campus censorship as abhorrent.
What the hell happened in the childhoods of post-1995 babies to make them grow up so fricked up?
This post was edited on 12/27/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:50 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Other than Missouri, where are the public colleges in the South that are left leaning? There ain't any.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:52 pm to msutiger
A long walk through the institutions may be necessary.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:54 pm to matthew25
Look at a bunch of the universities in Georgia.
Pretty sure that the publics outside of Georgia and Georgia Tech are full on tard. I seem to remember Georgia State or Georgia Southern in particular doing something fricking stupid on those regards recently.
Pretty sure that the publics outside of Georgia and Georgia Tech are full on tard. I seem to remember Georgia State or Georgia Southern in particular doing something fricking stupid on those regards recently.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 5:00 pm to teke184
This problem runs a lot deeper than the 1990's. Back in the late 60's early 70's, the Viet Nam war turned college campuses all over the country but specifically on the East & West Coasts into vast pits of extreme liberalism. Those students are now the liberal university professors of today; others went into the media, too. Look at what universities are leading the country in aggressively pushing ultra political correctness: Yale, Harvard, Cornell, Penn, MIT. The point being, theoretically, universities comprised of some of the brightest students this country has to offer.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 5:16 pm to msutiger
Yes they are. There are better high school teachers than college -- especially in English and Math. I had some Japanese guy for Oceanography at LSU and I made a C simply because I could not understand him. Then, his co-professor (taught second half of course) had to leave the room because he was bawling when he was explaining turtle poaching in Tahiti.
Liberal Arts College professors, by-in-large, are liberal and arrogant and they are teaching NOTHING except recall and memorization. They do not TEACH you how to write the essay that goes in your mid-term final blue books. They do not utilize any interpreting or application methods. They are fools who stand and talk. And they teach college because high school would eat them alive. They feel privileged and our encouraged to feel that way. End of story. They ain't fixing shite.
And most importantly? They are the algae who are feeding these god damn insecure and entitled arse brats. Seriously, props to engineering or math teachers that show you methods and HOW to work a problem. Screw these idiots who recite notes from their former professors. And then the TA grades the damn paper.
College, aside from athletics, is being by-passed daily and purposely. My sister-in-law's 24 year old boyfriend makes 120 grand 2 weeks on/off and she is going through all the nursing hoops and jumps just so she can make 48-56K. And the workload? It's really about the damn same!
How do we fix them? It's fricking broke, man. There's no going back now.
Liberal Arts College professors, by-in-large, are liberal and arrogant and they are teaching NOTHING except recall and memorization. They do not TEACH you how to write the essay that goes in your mid-term final blue books. They do not utilize any interpreting or application methods. They are fools who stand and talk. And they teach college because high school would eat them alive. They feel privileged and our encouraged to feel that way. End of story. They ain't fixing shite.
And most importantly? They are the algae who are feeding these god damn insecure and entitled arse brats. Seriously, props to engineering or math teachers that show you methods and HOW to work a problem. Screw these idiots who recite notes from their former professors. And then the TA grades the damn paper.
College, aside from athletics, is being by-passed daily and purposely. My sister-in-law's 24 year old boyfriend makes 120 grand 2 weeks on/off and she is going through all the nursing hoops and jumps just so she can make 48-56K. And the workload? It's really about the damn same!
How do we fix them? It's fricking broke, man. There's no going back now.
This post was edited on 12/27/16 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 12/27/16 at 5:32 pm to msutiger
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Are college campuses a lost cause? If not, how do we fix them?
Elect me governor and I'll close a bunch of them.
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