re: Anyone still want to say Snowden is a traitor

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his is a terrible analogy to what happened.

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We had a big problem and he let everyone know instead of keeping it a secret like his bosses wanted him to.

I am glad he did.

Tell me, why are you upset that he let us know what was going on?

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He still is.

It's not about what he brought to light, it's about how he went about doing it.

Either we are a nation of laws, or we are not.

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1. He broke a law, and the trust of his employer and the agency where he worked.

2. He served a higher good, as he understood it.


Its a very courageous act.
I don't agree with what he did though.

I might do the same, depending on what I saw. So far, I do not see anything to say, I am glad he did it.
I think most people have a tipping point. Its just a miracle that someone did it.

Wow. Can you imagine the furor if Trump pardons him?

I'd still happily buy Snowden a beer.

The only regret I have about Snowden is that there aren't ten more just like him

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That doesn't improve your analogy or absolve him of anything.

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The analogy is very simple.

Something bad was going on and someone needed to say something. Someone said something. You are upset at the way they said the thing that needed saying.

I am just glad he said it, you can be upset if you want.

These are the hazards one encounters if their organization is acting in the unethical Manor while people within their organization are aware of it but do nothing. If you are a boss and one of these organizations I'm going to be the guy that tells you that when the s*** hits the fan it's probably not going to hit the fan the way you would like. When I was in the army I was in a unit with the commander who was behaving unethically. To make himself look good on more than one occasion he allowed actions within the unit to be swept under the rug. Or in other cases allowed fraudulent training data to be sent up the chain. I and others within the unit tried to deal with him and I actually said almost exactly my advice above.

Little did I know that the day after I had that conversation a little specialist with about three years in the army had brought a pretty egregious example of email sexual harassment to the commander and the commander had done nothing.

Well little specialist was pretty smart and aware of a lot of things going on. So she created an anonymous email and promptly fired every last thing she could think of up the chain. Didn't waste time with middlemen. Sent it to the Commanding General. Bunch of s*** she sent up I didn't even know about. And it took down a couple people who just got caught in the wash. You know I blame for that s***. I blame the commander and I also blame myself and my peers who didn't f****** roll that Commander when we had the chance.

I learned from that. Had a similar Commander years later. That f***** went down

Brutal. I'd settle for hanging.

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Agreed. That doesn't make it any less terrible.

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It makes the point and that was the only intent.

Hate on Snowden all you want, but many of us are glad that he exposed what was going on. I prefer liberty over ignorance, of course you are free to make your own choice.

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It makes the point and that was the only intent.

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It doesn't.

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many of us are glad that he exposed what was going on

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Not many of any importance.

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I prefer liberty over ignorance

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You have both, without really understanding either.