re: Anybody remember when RUssia hacked the election?

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your argument for why it's reasonable is they hack

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Yes. And of all nations who hack, they probably despised Hillary the most, and have a history of attempts and successes hacking the US.

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the US government hacks.

In fact, we know for fact the DHS hacked the GA election boards computers. we know that.

IT"S FACTUAL.

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OK? I never said they didn't hack. I just don't think the IC is the prime suspect in attacking the Hillary and the left. I mean unless you're now saying that the IC wanted Trump to win instead?

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Why did they despise Hillary?

I don't know.

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You gave that as a reason.

so you are literally now making up phantom motives to support a contention that has no proof.

...then you call it "reasonable"

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And considering Russia is one of the most obvious suspects of any hacking of this type, a

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why? because you say so?

China, NK, fricking random hackers online, all of them are behind Russia? WHy?

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Neither you nor I can say either way. So what is so wrong with saying Russia is a reasonable suspect,

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again you clown...if you can make the claim that nobody knows, then all actors with that ability are "reasonable"...here'a nice map of LIVE of hacking for you to ponder, clown:

LINK

fricking imbecile.

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I'm a Rand Paul conservatarian voter. Conservatives shouldn't alienate that part of the base. I voted for Trump but agree with a lot of libertarian principles

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I put it in quotes for a reason.

the ones here arent actually libertarian.

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You gave that as a reason.

so you are literally now making up phantom motives to support a contention that has no proof.

...then you call it "reasonable"

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All I said was that I think it's reasonable. We know Russia attempts (and succeeds) in hacking us. We know that Russia likes to meddle, for whatever reason.

You started this thread about Russia hacking. I AGREED that it's unreasonable to think they hacked the election itself. But you referred to posts that referred to the campaign hacks (or phishing if you want to be technical), and I said it was reasonable to suspect them.

I am not going around saying Russia is guilty, I'm just responding to a thread about Russia hacking.

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why? because you say so?

China, NK, fricking random hackers online, all of them are behind Russia? WHy?

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You didn't start a thread about China or North Korean hacking. They are also reasonable suspects, but since the candidate and party who took harder campaign stances against them was Trump's, I think their involvement is a bit less likely, especially considering the Wikileaks connection.

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again you clown...if you can make the claim that nobody knows, then all actors with that ability are "reasonable"...here'a nice map of LIVE of hacking for you to ponder, clown:

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Yes. The few capable and willing are more reasonable than the vast majority who lack either or both.

So that narrows it down to small percentage of the global population. And it just so happens that Russia, with their technological expertise, history, and IC focus on cyber warfare, is one of the more reasonable.

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fricking imbecile.

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Since I'm an imbecile for saying it's reasonable for Russia to be a suspect, that must mean it's unreasonable is the correct conclusion?

And if it's unreasonable, then present some evidence for a change rather than making strawmen, playing word games, and resorting to your unnecessary insults. You started the thread, apparently to mock those that argued Russia was behind it. I agreed with you about the election itself, but since you are going to make such a big deal for me saying that they could be behind the campaigns, then why don't you actually refute it with evidence why it's unreasonable.

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base don no evidence.

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You don't have to believe the DNI, and I'm not going to take it as absolute fact, but I don't think we can dismiss it as fake out of hand:

Background to “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections”: The Analytic Process and Cyber Incident Attribution

In addition, there is just basic data that indicates that they are one of the primary hacking sources worldwide:

Top 5 Countries Where Cyber Attacks Originate

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A total of 5.14% of cyber attacks are initiated by the Russians.

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And just so it can't be argued that this is a new narrative post-election, this is from 2013:

Which Four Countries Most Actively Hack the U.S.?

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There has been a review in the US intelligence community on who are the most active opponents. China is far in the lead, Russia is second, two others come up.

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So even if you disregard the DNI, that wikileaks typically deals with US and European issues, and just look at the global hacking data, then Russia is already one of top candidates.

So if you want to argue China is reasonable. I won't disagree, but Russia is also reasonable. I just think that since Russia is more likely than to deal with wikileaks than China AND more importantly, Trump had strong campaign rhetoric AGAINST CHINA, makes Russia's probability higher than there base rate.

Not to mention China hacking has decreased:

The Decline in Chinese Cyberattacks: The Story Behind the Numbers

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based on your argument of the following point: 1) you are a reasonable suspect if you hack

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That would be a necessary condition.

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then everyone is a reasonable suspect.

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I don't think the US IC is a reasonable suspect to attack Hillary with Trump as her main opposition and Obama in power.

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Let's see if I can put this into a framework you might remember, and then you can play your contrarian schtick somewhere else... under your argument, any actor in the Universal Set is "reasonable" that's not an argument.

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I say it's reasonable because:

1. Russia is one of the top hacking countries in the world.
2. 5% of all hacks originate from Russia.
3. Our own IC community is highly unlikely to have targeted Hillary.
4. The other main foreign hacking nation, China, has had a decrease in hacking, and Trump was the candidate who took a strong position against them.
5. Wikileaks typically deals with US and Europe, making China an unusual source.
6. Our IC believes Russia was trying to interfere, even if that report is over-relied upon.

So yes, given all that Russia seems like a reasonable source. I am not arguing that they are the source. But even the 5% statistic is reasonable, and I think the circumstances suggests that its higher than that. So even if it's "only" 25%, that's a pretty reasonable suspect.

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5%

lol

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Well then what is the figure? Your lol indicates that this number is incorrect and you have the correct available to discredit it.

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under this clown analysis CHina is more likely

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I literally said this in the it you're quoting:

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So if you want to argue China is reasonable. I won't disagree, but Russia is also reasonable.

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You have this weird tendency to essentially restate a person's argument, maybe tweaking it a bit, then acting like you've nailed a gotcha.

And not to leave out the usual insults sprinkled in.

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but they didnt hack him, they phished him.

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A successful phish is considered hacking.

...and there are plenty of actual libertarians here on this board.

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No

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And your qualification to say this is?