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re: And so it begins - Russia shelling Ukrainian military targets

Posted on 7/24/14 at 4:49 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 4:49 pm to
That Putin, such an alpha
Posted by wfeliciana
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 4:53 pm to
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That Putin, such an alpha



I never got the love for Putin on the OT board, was it on this board as well?
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 4:54 pm to
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And what would you like us to do about the situation? Send in Troops? Bomb the Russians?


Start by recalling the US ambassador for "consultations" while at the same time expelling the Russian ambassador.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 4:56 pm to
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I never got the love for Putin on the OT board, was it on this board as well?


No. That's a fricking myth that I never understood. I've never once seen anyone say they like Putin on this board. It fricking pisses me off.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 4:56 pm to
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And what would you like us to do about the situation? Send in Troops? Bomb the Russians?



I personally would like to see Obama draw another redline.
Posted by Ryne Sandberg
Team Am Mart
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 4:57 pm to
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 4:58 pm to
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I never got the love for Putin on the OT board, was it on this board as well?



People don't love Putin they love the fact that he exposes Obama for the fraud that he is.
Posted by Ryne Sandberg
Team Am Mart
Member since Apr 2009
19368 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:01 pm to
STOP PICKING ON OBAMA
HES TRYING HIS BEST


Posted by OleWar
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:06 pm to
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My question on all of the "reset"


The purpose of the "reset" was to do NEW START, the strategic arms limitation treaty. For whatever reason this was the priority of the Obama administration (I have theories on why this was the case). In carrying out this policy goal, other issues were purposefully ignored, specifically Ukraine, Georgia and the general stability of Eastern Europe. The Russians could give a crap about START but figured if Obama and Clinton had such a hard on about it, they could get something for it, in this case killing the missile defense in Poland and the Czech Republic. The whole thing became a fiasco as the administration had to contend with both Russian negotiating strategies and domestic and European opposition to their efforts. In any case the "reset" was naive as it put arms control ahead of geopolitical realities. The Russians may be behaving in a 19th century manner, but at least it is rational in the sense they are putting their own security concerns first as opposed to 1980 ivy league pipe dreams of a nuclear free world.
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9616 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:06 pm to
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Has anyone tried telling Putin he is on the wrong side of history?


No, but Obama did send a Sad Gram to the Russian Embassy today.
Posted by wfeliciana
Member since Oct 2013
4504 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:06 pm to
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People don't love Putin they love the fact that he exposes Obama for the fraud that he is.


The love for him on the OT board was expressed as admiration that he was an "alpha". Never understood it. Personally, I think most of the western powers are amazed that any leader of a major power would do what he is doing. They need to get over it and recognize him for what he is.
Posted by Ryne Sandberg
Team Am Mart
Member since Apr 2009
19368 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:07 pm to
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The love for him on the OT board was expressed as admiration that he was an "alpha". Never understood it. Personally, I think most of the western powers are amazed that any leader of a major power would do what he is doing. They need to get over it and recognize him for what he is.

No one on the OT board thought that Obama was an "alpha" but I agree with the rest about him.
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
31636 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:08 pm to
And do what?
Posted by wfeliciana
Member since Oct 2013
4504 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:11 pm to
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And do what?


All you can do is sanctions and those need to be ratcheted up. I'll give the US credit for trying to do this. Germany and others need to support it.

Tough sanctions that impact the Russian oligarchy will matter.
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:12 pm to
But Paul said it wasn't so!
Posted by wfeliciana
Member since Oct 2013
4504 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:13 pm to
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No one on the OT board thought that Obama was an "alpha" but I agree with the rest about him.



Sorry didn't make that clear I was referring to the Putin is alpha love threads. I know well what they refer to the president as.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90612 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:21 pm to
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The goddamned Europeans will frick everything up again and drag us into another world war eventually.


They're making the same mistake that they made prior to WW2.


Ignore Hitler, he isn't a threat. Let him have Austria and he'll stop.....
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9616 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:23 pm to
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Ignore Hitler, he isn't a threat. Let him have Austria and he'll stop.....



Give appeasement a chance.
Posted by OleWar
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Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:28 pm to
The French realized going to war for Poland was a colossal mistake as well.
Posted by Old And Grumpy Tiger
Mountain Brook, AL
Member since Nov 2013
261 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 6:28 pm to
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Start by recalling the US ambassador for "consultations" while at the same time expelling the Russian ambassador.


that should do it.
good post.
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