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All things considered, why is the Federal government involved at all in health insurance ?

Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:15 pm
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
14977 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:15 pm
Do you really think that in this day and age and considering the wealth of the US population that there would be anyone who truly couldnt afford it be refused decent healthcare?
Is that the issue?
It seemed like that was one of the main reasons it was said that the government inserted itself into the equation and then once they were in the regulations began piling up inflating the costs.
Combine that with the courts enabling the ambulance chasers by allowing frivolous lawsuits and awarding ridiculous sums of money which caused malpractice insurance rates to skyrocket.
And so on and so forth...
How would it be if there was simply state and local oversight of doctors and hospitals and routine doctor visits could be paid out of pocket and insurance was only used for catastrophic situations?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21894 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:16 pm to
Because we made a conscious decision in the 60s not to let seniors die destitute due to rising costs.

Because we made the same decision about the poor.

Because of Reagan.

etc.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26748 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:16 pm to
The problem is they are trying to make every group happy and everyone loses.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:17 pm to
Why are they involved in anything that doesn't involve national defense and judicial issues?
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32235 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:26 pm to
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Because we made a conscious decision in the 60s not to let seniors die destitute due to rising costs.

Because we made the same decision about the poor.

Because of Reagan.

Not sure where Reagan fits but 60s was LBJ but probably need to go back to FDR. He started the nanny state.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
14977 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:29 pm to
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Because we made a conscious decision in the 60s not to let seniors die destitute due to rising costs. 

Why are there "rising costs" that far out-strip normal inflation? Could it be rising government involvement forcing the rising costs so eventually they'll have to step in and blame everyone and everything else for the rising costs and take control to "fix" it?
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:31 pm to
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Because we made a conscious decision in the 60s not to let seniors die destitute due to rising costs.


Revisionist history FTW!!!!

Medicare was passed because health insurance companies were fricking over seniors with fine print and textual gymnastics leading up to the mid-60's. Instead of taking those insurers to task the federal government decided to create its own insurance for seniors.

Because of this we've seen first-hand the effects of artificially injecting capital into a market where Demand is held in check by Price and Supply is low and somewhat static (and then people are shocked that Price goes up )


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Because we made the same decision about the poor.


And how has the black family unit (whom it was to benefit most, as a per capita) fared in that time, hmmmm?


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Because of Reagan.


MUH REAGAN DIDZ IT TWO!!!111
Posted by Kingpenm3
Xanadu
Member since Aug 2011
8960 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:32 pm to
Should be a state issue, like most things.
Posted by Fatal Conceit
Ramblin down that dusty ole road
Member since Jun 2017
594 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:33 pm to
Reg failure, then capture
Posted by DeafVallyBatnR
Member since Sep 2004
16828 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:34 pm to
People think repeal and replace means go back the the way it was before Obama Care.

It's not

Repeal only would be but the replace means government controlled
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21894 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:36 pm to
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Not sure where Reagan fits


EMTALA. Look it up sometime.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21894 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:37 pm to
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Why are there "rising costs" that far out-strip normal inflation?


Medical technology advanced quickly in the computer age.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:41 pm to
Ignore idiots like BamaAtl.

The only reason healthcare is so expensive is because there is a government payer source for most people that access healthcare. Healthcare is not under the influence of market forces because of this.

That's why.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32235 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:43 pm to
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EMTALA. Look it up sometime.
Keenly aware of EMTALA. We are where they dumped and reported EMTALA violations on the reg. What's your point? EMTALA is one of the few good things that the federal government did in the way of healthcare regulations.

Oh, and HIPAA, Title 1 (1996) and Title 2 (2003) has probably added 20% or more to the cost of delivering healthcare just trying to comply with the nonsense almost weekly changes. Bill Clinton because Arthur Ashe was outed for having AIDS. Over react much????
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 9:56 pm
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:44 pm to
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The problem is they are trying to make every group happy and everyone loses.



Exactly. We should vote on which group dies.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
69902 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:47 pm to
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Exactly. We should vote on which group dies.



I nominate you and BamaAtl. Who's with me?


Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:50 pm to
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nominate you and BamaAtl. Who's with me?


That isnt a group, retard.
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
6935 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:53 pm to
Because the medical lobby pads the pockets of politicians.

Why do you think they do it?
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
Throbbing Member
Member since Dec 2012
69902 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:57 pm to
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That isnt a group, retard.


Then mahdragonz and a want can join you. StrongSafety could be the token black guy, if he was actually black, which he isn't.


Anyway, as long as you all are gone.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
14977 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:03 pm to
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Because the medical lobby pads the pockets of politicians. 

Why do you think they do it?

This is why they are involved ultimately. They see it as a reliable revenue stream. The more they screw it up the more they say they're needed.
It's the old saw that government comes and breaks your legs and then "provides" you with some crutches and tells you how much they're doing for you.
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