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re: 80%-90% of employer-provided insurance will disappear as ObamaCare takes hold
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:01 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:01 am to NC_Tigah
I see this as a net negative impact on employees obviously because the cost health insurance in general has increased significantly under Obamacare. Plus the employers will be saddled with a tax penalty. It's basically a government power grab by Democrats.
Employers will no longer be able attract top employees with a combination of salary and top benefits because they can no longer afford the benefits. This will force them to pay higher salaries but likely not enough to compensate for the increased cost of healthcare. Companies will be forced to increase prices so inflation will continue skyrocket in spite of the government's b.s. inflation index.
Instead of screwing up healthcare for everyone, it would have been much simpler and more honest to expand Medicaid to cover folks with pre-existing conditions and who could not afford healthcare. But then Democrats would have to actually figure out how to pay for the expansion. As is it's basically a stealth tax that that has screwed up the entire healthcare system and suppressed the U.S. economy. Now millions of unemployed Americans can embrace their government healthcare; the same government that manages VA healthcare.
Employers will no longer be able attract top employees with a combination of salary and top benefits because they can no longer afford the benefits. This will force them to pay higher salaries but likely not enough to compensate for the increased cost of healthcare. Companies will be forced to increase prices so inflation will continue skyrocket in spite of the government's b.s. inflation index.
Instead of screwing up healthcare for everyone, it would have been much simpler and more honest to expand Medicaid to cover folks with pre-existing conditions and who could not afford healthcare. But then Democrats would have to actually figure out how to pay for the expansion. As is it's basically a stealth tax that that has screwed up the entire healthcare system and suppressed the U.S. economy. Now millions of unemployed Americans can embrace their government healthcare; the same government that manages VA healthcare.
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Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:08 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Because the alternative is Obamacaid,
Let's compare....
Gov ran VA
vs
Private doctors
If they can't get the introduction right... and they can handle the VA, why would anybody think they could handle health ins?
Warning signs mean nothing to people any more.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:12 am to davesdawgs
quote:You ain't seen nothin' yet . . . just wait
the cost health insurance in general has increased significantly under Obamacare
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:22 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
WT, I'm not sure what your impression is. Obamacare penalizes employers for NOT providing insurance. IOW, they will have to PAY to NOT provide something to the employee. The employees will never see this money. It goes straight to the government.
THIS.
How can you idiot progs not see this? Or do you see it and choose to ignore it?
The government is basically telling anyone who runs a business that you, the business owner, HAVE TO PAY US SOMETHING for health care.
THE EMPLOYER DOES NOT WIN EITHER WAY.
Pay a fee, or pay for the insurance.
THIS IS NOT CHOICE.
HOW frickING STUPID ARE YOU PEOPLE?
quote:
The employer is worse off- his employees are then uninsured, he takes a tax hit, and pays a penalty. The employees are worse off, as they get nothing, and take a tax hit. The only winner is... wait for it... the government.
Bingo.
This is like telling parents that they have to supply their kids with tasty salty snacks made by a govt producer. If you, as a parent, don't buy them these mandated snacks, you have to pay a fee.
Either way, YOU ARE MANDATED TO BUY/PAY FOR SOMETHING. Oh, and by the way, that money goes to the government.
Unreal.
I'm literally to the point where I'm convinced leftists are either the stupidest frickers alive, or evil geniuses.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 9:24 am
Posted on 5/31/14 at 12:32 pm to darkhorse
quote:Because the next time they will get it right...
If they can't get the introduction right... and they can handle the VA, why would anybody think they could handle health ins?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 1:28 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Because the next time they will get it right...
Exactly! And it will only cost a bazillion trillion dollars!
But it is OK. The majority of us who support it will never actually have to pay for it, so who cares?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 1:44 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
I actually AGREE with Barack Obama on something he said,it made a lot of sense. "Elections have consequences". So if you are not happy, it is time for all of us to stop half assing and get serious about getting to the polls and turning out some of these morons. We have to out Democrat the Democrats.
Get everyone to the polls. Talk to people and get them registered. You know what they are going to do,vote early and often. And late too. The dead will rise and go to the polls. People will "assist" others that aren't really competent enough to be in a voting booth. Illegals are going to try to vote and in a lot of cases get away with it.
If you want your country back, you and I and everyone else are going to have to stop bitching and do something. Churches had best get the vote out if they want to be around in 10 years. Obama Reid and Co.have to be stopped NOW.
Get everyone to the polls. Talk to people and get them registered. You know what they are going to do,vote early and often. And late too. The dead will rise and go to the polls. People will "assist" others that aren't really competent enough to be in a voting booth. Illegals are going to try to vote and in a lot of cases get away with it.
If you want your country back, you and I and everyone else are going to have to stop bitching and do something. Churches had best get the vote out if they want to be around in 10 years. Obama Reid and Co.have to be stopped NOW.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 2:50 pm to MMauler
quote:
Of course, once insurance is no longer with employers, and ObozoCare implodes, the lefts "only solution" will be full blown socialize medicine ... or, as they've come to call it to make it seem less STUPID, single payer.
This has been the plan all along. They knew they couldn't pass a full blown socialized medicine plan, so they went with this Obamacare bullshite knowing full well that it wouldn't work long term. When it doesn't work, they'll say, "oh well, we tried to make this work, but it obviously doesn't; so now we have to take it over." Socialized medicine is definitely the end goal.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:01 pm to medtiger
So it doesn't work, the same idiots that messed it up to begin with take it all over?
Posted on 6/1/14 at 6:08 am to antibarner
How many companies have dropped insurance so far?
None in Mississippi.
None in Mississippi.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 8:43 am to matthew25
quote:
How many companies have dropped insurance so far? None in Mississippi.
shite hasn't hit the fan yet. We were able to keep our premiums to only a 15% increase by increasing copays and deductibles. It was going up 45% without change. We cannot do this again or we will no longer be grandfathered in. If we had to get a new plan, we were looking at 100% increase. Other companies we do work for have still provide insurance, but they've gone to HIGH deductible plans Obamacare was supposed to do away with, but in fact encourages. Here in Arkansas, the O'care bronze plan is a pOS with a $6500 deductible.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 8:49 am to matthew25
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This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 8:09 am
Posted on 6/1/14 at 8:52 am to matthew25
quote:There are companies in Mississippi?
How many companies have dropped insurance so far?
None in Mississippi.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 8:55 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:
drug rehab.
I do agree with this being covered. Although the best way would be a state sponsored plan. Force drug companies to pay in. I am often confronted with pt's that have substance abuse problems, but cannot afford rehab. I'm not allowed by law to detox them. I'm also not allowed to write drugs like Suboxone that can be used to treat their issues. However, I can rx the meds they can become addicted to with virtually no restrictions. Makes no sense. I personally feel that if I contribute to someone's issues, I should be allowed to help get them off the medicine. It's much easier in LA. And in fact, I have pt's I send to LA to get these meds and treatment.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:19 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
I'm literally to the point where I'm convinced leftists are either the stupidest frickers alive, or evil geniuses.
Does it have to be either/or, EZ?
Just like they believe that "wealth inequality" is the biggest issue...they also believe that health care access inequality is a morality issue.
One (access to care) size fits all...of course, we'll never see Obama's kids or Nancy Pelosi standing in line with the *working middle class* that they purport to serve.
Mother Nature will fix this.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:42 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
80%-90% of employer-provided insurance will disappear as ObamaCare takes hold
what this article misses is the battle for good employees. As we move into the next generation of workers, knowledge and technical skills will be at a premium, as will good management. Boomers are retiring, and they have to be replaced. There is a shortage of qualified employees for many positions, we already see this at my job.
Health benefits are already something that large multinationals use to compete for the best workers. This is unlikely to change.
Now for your regular sbux worker, yeah, they are going to be fricked. But anyone with good skills will still have health insurance in 2025 provided by their employer, assuming we don't have single payer by then.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:48 am to Hawkeye95
quote:Far better for employers if they attract those employees with a raise instead.
what this article misses is the battle for good employees
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