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40 years of history Show legalizing drugs will only make it worse
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:15 am
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:15 am
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Trouble in Europe's Pot Paradise: A Bloody Gang War Is Raging in Amsterdam
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On March 10, a 23-year-old man's severed head was displayed at the entrance of a hookah lounge in Amsterdam where drug dealers are known to gather. The rest of the victim's body was found in a burned-out car on the other side of the city. It was the latest grisly episode in a conflict between rival gangs that authorities say has produced roughly 20 percent of all murders over the past three years in the Netherlands, a country that has one of the lowest homicide rates in the world.
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Though the Dutch have struck a compromise with international treaties that shows great results for reducing harm for drug users, the approach has largely shielded problems with drug crime in the Netherlands from public view.
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'It's a system that is fundamentally flawed, pumping millions into a criminal underworld.'
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"I advise the government to start regulation as soon as possible, to prevent these hardened crime syndicates from taking over this market completely.
As you can see, making it legal has not accomplished what you say it will.
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Addiction treatment is paid for under universal healthcare. And the most progressive policies go as far as providing addicts with free heroin at designated health centers.
There's the rub.
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That's where problems persist. Last year's 2.5 million Dutch cannabis smokers, 260,000 MDMA users, and 170,000 cocaine consumers still sourced all of their product from illegal networks.
And here it is again..... Exactly what I am saying. The cartels create other things and ............
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'This is an international issue. We shouldn't have the illusion that if we start doing things differently, that it would help with our problems with this ballooning organized crime.'
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The market for drugs being what it is, criminal drug distribution can easily become an integral part of local economies, spurring local corruption and money laundering. Fighting the illicit drug market now costs the Netherlands roughly $1 billion a year. If the dollar figure were adjusted to reflect the US population, it would be $19 billion — roughly equivalent to NASA's annual budget.
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Article is 2016.
This specific topic was getting buried in another thread.
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Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:17 am to Jjdoc
I'll just slide this over as well...
And ironically of all things, you're using published data that any other day or night you would call bullshite on. Propaganda, remember? It's what we do here when we want something put down.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:25 am to Jjdoc
Guess what the problem is.. It's not legal. So much for this theory.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:25 am to Jjdoc
Shocked you'd be so ill informed on dutch cannabis policy and what their "legalization" actually involves. 15 years of Afghanistan occupation is panning out really fricking well for ending the heroin trade...
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:26 am to Sao
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And ironically of all things, you're using published data that any other day or night you would call bull shite on.
It's not BS. You have the article and it's backed up by by friggin mayors in the Netherlands.
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It's what we do here when we want something put down.
Again... backed up by the words of mayors within the countries we are talking about.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:28 am to JuiceTerry
gedoogbeleid. The fact that they changed that in 2015 after 38 years should be enough for you.
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 12:30 am
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:29 am to Jjdoc
This is your worst thread ever, and that is saying something.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:33 am to russellvillehog
Why? Is it that you can't erase history? They are telling you for 38 years they did what is being suggested.
Now they are reversing coarse due to
1- Drug lords are still in play...
2- coffee shops buy it on the black market
3- cost of medical care has sky rocketed.
It's the same thing it will be here.
1- drug companys will not be able to grow it as cheaply as cartels.
2- Cartel will not have a high overg=head from regulations
Therefore, the street price will always be lower
Now they are reversing coarse due to
1- Drug lords are still in play...
2- coffee shops buy it on the black market
3- cost of medical care has sky rocketed.
It's the same thing it will be here.
1- drug companys will not be able to grow it as cheaply as cartels.
2- Cartel will not have a high overg=head from regulations
Therefore, the street price will always be lower
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:41 am to Jjdoc
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Fed study says pot use by youth on rise in Colorado, leads nation
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Colorado doctors dismayed by rise in pot user pregnancies
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Prosecutors: Colorado sees increase in homicides motivated by marijuana
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Study: Illness linked to pot use on the rise in Colorado
Just a few headlines.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:43 am to Jjdoc
We MAGA. Errbody doin' well. No need for street bullshite cause we'all be buyin that Cush skraight from the good places.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:44 am to Jjdoc
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It's the same thing it will be here.
Except our recreational states allow users to grow up to 6 plants at a time... Holland 0. You're comparing black market sourced apples to people legally able to produce their own apples.
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 12:47 am
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:44 am to Jjdoc
Did you know that most of the weed grown in states that legalized it are leaving those states for huge profits? Lol a new cartlel within the US has been formed.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:47 am to Jjdoc
None of that shows that legalizing drugs will make it worse. It shows that legalizing drugs will not solve all the world's problems. No one ever said it would like you claim they did in your post. In order for you to say that it will make things worse, you need to compare it to current numbers to see what the effect would be. Here I'll help you with this very basic task that you should have done yourself if you were being honest.
So if these projections and numbers are accurate, what you are saying is that saving $21 billion is making things worse.
And that's just the beginning of your ridiculous, baseless, argument that at no point makes a worthwhile point. It isn't worth my time to address the rest.
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Fighting the illicit drug market now costs the Netherlands roughly $1 billion a year. If the dollar figure were adjusted to reflect the US population, it would be $19 billion — roughly equivalent to NASA's annual budget.
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The U.S. federal government spent over $15 billion dollars in 2010 on the War on Drugs, at a rate of about $500 per second. State and local governments spent at least another 25 billion dollars. Source: Jeffrey A. Miron & Kathrine Waldock: "The Budgetary Impact of Drug Prohibition," 2010.
So if these projections and numbers are accurate, what you are saying is that saving $21 billion is making things worse.
And that's just the beginning of your ridiculous, baseless, argument that at no point makes a worthwhile point. It isn't worth my time to address the rest.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:47 am to Jjdoc
And because the war on drugs is doing so well. I bet we don't spend a dime on drug rehabilitation in the US since it's illegal and no one can get it.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:48 am to MoarKilometers
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Except our recreational states allow users to grow up to 6 plants at a time... Holland 0. You're comparing apples to people legally able to produce their own apples.
Oh sweet lord.... no no no no. Unless you are demanding drugs because damn it you deserve it, then you need to listen to and read about the history.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:49 am to Jjdoc
I bet if alcohol were outlawed, we'd see an increase in illegal moonshining operations. Bet we'd see a decrease in DUIs. Bet we'd see a decrease in overall alcohol related crime. It worked so well before.
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 12:49 am
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:50 am to Jjdoc
Speaking of history, there were no controls on any drugs in the United States until the late 1800s. I can't believe we are all still here.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:54 am to Jjdoc
Amsterdam never made it legal, especially on the production side. They just had a fatally flawed policy of looking the other way.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:55 am to Peazey
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So if these projections and numbers are accurate, what you are saying is that saving $21 billion is making things worse.
please read what you wrote again.
Basically We are saving 5 billion per year according to you and our fed gov isn't paying for the healthcare like they are for people addicted. now factor that in.
It's because you can't address it. You are saying that a nation and a city known for it is now wrong because you WANT it.... not because it helps.
Netherlands... have it.. spent way more.
US does not.... spent way less.
The rest of what I am saying is simply we have never had a war on drugs. We want to end it, we can.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:58 am to Jjdoc
Nothing better than a bunch of potheads defending their smoking habits 
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