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re: 25 Muslim taxi drivers refuse to drive cabs displaying "Gay Games" ads
Posted on 4/19/14 at 4:51 pm to Revelator
Posted on 4/19/14 at 4:51 pm to Revelator
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If the Muslim men owned the cab company, it would be a different matter and more like the case of the Colorado bakers and the photographer. Since they don't, the cases shouldn't be compared.
I guess that's true but I see the rights as the same.
In both cases there are alternatives. The cab drivers can be fired and find work elsewhere, the alleged marrying couple can hire a different florist or baker.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 4:53 pm
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 4:53 pm to imjustafatkid
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I guess that's true but I see the rights as the same.
Whose rights?
Posted on 4/19/14 at 4:54 pm to fleaux
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Whose rights?
The rights of these Muslim men and the rights of the florist and baker in the gay wedding situation.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 4:59 pm to imjustafatkid
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In both cases there are alternatives. The cab drivers can be fired and find work elsewhere, the alleged marrying couple can hire a different florist or baker.
What if it were beer signs on the cab that they were objecting to which, I assume is fairly common? Should the employer be limited to what he can advertise on his cabs based on each if his drivers beliefs?
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 4/19/14 at 5:01 pm to Revelator
No they can find another job. What if they were Christian when he hired them and a year later the driver converted to Islam ?? Would the driver have the right to restrict the ads on the cabs because of his religious beliefs?
Posted on 4/19/14 at 5:10 pm to Revelator
No? The business owner should have the right to fire them for refusing to work. That doesn't change the rights of the cab drivers to refuse to work.
Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of your actions even if you have the right to pursue those actions.
Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of your actions even if you have the right to pursue those actions.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 4/19/14 at 5:27 pm to imjustafatkid
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No? The business owner should have the right to fire them for refusing to work. That doesn't change the rights of the cab drivers to refuse to work.
Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of your actions even if you have the right to pursue those actions.
This is exactly right. The drivers have every right to refuse to work with those ads displayed and the owners can fire them for it.
What people don't understand is when there are protests and public outcry against actions like these. That is also the public's right. Just like with the Mozilla CEO. If the public doesn't like it, the business suffers and people get fired. That's free enterprise. Nothing wrong with it.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 5:31 pm to imjustafatkid
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No? The business owner should have the right to fire them for refusing to work. That doesn't change the rights of the cab drivers to refuse to work. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of your actions even if you have the right to pursue those actions.
What company in the US do you know where you don't have the right to quit when you want for personal reasons? This is fairly standard right? I'm at work presently and I could walk out the door now if I wanted to for any reason.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 4/19/14 at 5:33 pm to Revelator
Yep. The article didn't seem to suggest these men quit their jobs.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 4/20/14 at 3:08 am to Roger Klarvin
You said a word about it, and whatever you quoted from did, too.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:05 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:Only important if they are wedding photographers or wedding cake bakers?
25 Muslim taxi drivers refuse to drive cabs displaying "Gay Games" ads
Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:16 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:Perhaps that's where we differ. I'm for individual rights and freedom. If the individual happens to be gay, wonderful. If he happens to be Muslim, fine. Each is entitled to rights, as are we all.
I'm all for gay rights
You start separating, isolating, or parsing off the rights of various subsets and we are all lesser for the effort.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:30 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:The Mozilla CEO dismissal had nothing to do with the public, or corporate performance, or executive competence.
Just like with the Mozilla CEO. If the public doesn't like it, the business suffers and people get fired. That's free enterprise. Nothing wrong with it.
It had to do with bigoted, agenda-driven, self-serving, self-aggrandizing board members acting on their intolerances.
From a business stance, their only saving grace is the relative subtle branding in place tying Mozilla to its products. That will limit public backlash directed against the board's BS actions. Otherwise they would have cut their own throats. In a just world, mozilla's profits would evaporate.
My suspicion is this had nothing to do with "gay rights" either. It was rather likely another manipulative use of "gay agenda" as means to an end, in this case a corporate board powerplay.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 6:56 am
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