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Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:15 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Thank God the South got their asses kicked him in the War.
Google translator can't figure this out.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:18 am to kilo
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Because thats the best that apologizers for the Confederacy can come up with.
Its laughable at this point. I'm as politically red as they come but get labeled a "liberal" when I voice disdain for a group that rebelled to cling to slavery for economic benefit.
It does a good job of washing away a lot of complex history, from before the war, during it, and after it. I've always found the argument that slavery would have ended of its own volition completely unsatisfactory, given that peonage and slavery in other forms continued into the 20th century. Not only that, there is nothing to say that the labor wouldn't have simply been shifted to other areas if agriculture had become less profitable.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 3:52 am to crazy4lsu
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Not only that, there is nothing to say that the labor wouldn't have simply been shifted to other areas if agriculture had become less profitable.
But the south had nothing but agriculture. And their technology was too far behind to sustain an independent nation. If they had succeeded in their secession they would be a 3rd world country today and Trump would be building a beautiful wall at the border.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 3:56 am to FanInLA
quote:Silly.
But the south had nothing but agriculture.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 3:57 am to FanInLA
I just think it's a reach to say that slavery would have ended sooner than later in the south especially when it was specifically placed in the southern constitution. 
Yea, technology would replace the need for some slaves but it's still free labor for the most part. In other words, I could see slavery continuing into the 1950's with say 25%-35% of the total number of slaves of 1860. If that scenario did in play out where 25% of the slave population still existed in the 1950's, would this be a fair trade off vs the ~700,000 soldiers that lost their lives in the war?
The oppression of AA in the south was terrible for most of the 20th century. Do you think their lives would somehow be better today if the South remained succeeded with slavery intact in the Southern Constitution?
Yea, technology would replace the need for some slaves but it's still free labor for the most part. In other words, I could see slavery continuing into the 1950's with say 25%-35% of the total number of slaves of 1860. If that scenario did in play out where 25% of the slave population still existed in the 1950's, would this be a fair trade off vs the ~700,000 soldiers that lost their lives in the war?
The oppression of AA in the south was terrible for most of the 20th century. Do you think their lives would somehow be better today if the South remained succeeded with slavery intact in the Southern Constitution?
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 4:09 am
Posted on 7/4/17 at 4:06 am to AU86
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154 years ago
Really? This story sounds vaguely familiar.
But since Mitch took down the Monuments to the Lost Cause in New Orleans, I've forgotten so much history.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 4:09 am to AU86
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Lest we forget their courage and sacrifice.
Or Robert E. Lee's stupidity (go ahead and downvote, it is still true).
Hey, let's engage in a full frontal assault against an entrenched enemy occupying high ground and commanding a mile-long stretch of open land. Such a great idea.
Longstreet had it correct -- Pickett's charge never should have happened.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 4:18 am to Sentrius
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Slavery was going to be obsolete inside of 20 years and technology and industrialization was going to make sure of that. Owning slaves and housing and feeding them was a costly expenditure financially and publicly. It was well on its way out. It was getting to a point where only the truly untouchable rich as shite people could afford slaves.
If the south wasn't as agrarian as it was, it would've ended much sooner than that.
bullshite. The South was trying to spread slavery to the Western territories. There is absolutely zero evidence that slavery was dying out -- in fact, it was expanding.
That's why the slaveholders were so paranoid about the rise of the Republican Party -- with their platform of stopping the spread of slavery, they threatened the very thing the slaveholders prized the most.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 4:58 am to FanInLA
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But the south had nothing but agriculture.
Would it be so far fetched for slave states to put their free labor towards massive public works projects, if indeed slavery was destined to fail? Or into any other thing you could dream of if paying for labor wasn't an issue. Even the implicit costs of that labor such as housing and food would have been cheaper than paying workers wages.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 5:28 am
Posted on 7/4/17 at 4:19 pm to kilo
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Celebrating traitors to the union on the 4th of July.
So? The union was formed by traitors to the crown.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 5:41 pm to MrCarton
Yes the colonists broke British law. That is why the D of I appeals to higher law.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 5:47 pm to AU86
Vicksburg fell on this day, too. For many years folks of the city did not celebrate the Fourth of July.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 6:03 pm to Minnesota Tiger
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So we're celebrating one of the biggest military errors in history? Your losses are unfortunate but you need to pick up and move on it's been 154 years.
Moving on? For whom.
We recently were reminded here that the number of years removed from those times mean absolutely nothing to the nouveau southern scalawag who is intent on making what he considers his life's ultimate social statement.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 6:08 pm to Sentrius
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A lot of the brave men and women who fought for the confederacy did so only to defend their homes and their land from people they felt were unjust invaders that sought to own and rule their property, their freedom and their labor.
No matter what anyone else says for the rest of time, they're heroes just for that and I salute them.
This is the crux of the injustice behind landrieu and the down low closeted gays of BLN
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:11 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:28 pm to AU86
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One of the greatest military charges took place at Gettysburg: Pickett's Charge. Carried out by the gallant men of the Army of Northern Virginia. Lest we forget their courage and sacrifice.
I hope there is a statue to this somewhere!
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:32 pm to AU86
My father-in-law is a huge Civil War buff.
He thinks that if the soldiers that refused to charge had done so, that Pickett would have taken the hill. Huge loss of life either way, but taking the cannons would have turned the battle.
I just find it interesting. He's a yank (from upstate NY), so his perspective mingled with mine makes for some interesting conversations.
He thinks that if the soldiers that refused to charge had done so, that Pickett would have taken the hill. Huge loss of life either way, but taking the cannons would have turned the battle.
I just find it interesting. He's a yank (from upstate NY), so his perspective mingled with mine makes for some interesting conversations.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:34 pm to The Boat
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From this day on I own my father's gun
We dug his shallow grave beneath the sun
I laid his broken body down below the southern land
It wouldn't do to bury him where any Yankee stands
I'll take my horse and I'll ride the Northern plain
To wear the color of the Grays and join the fight again
I'll not rest until I know the cause is fought and won
From this day on until I die I'll wear my father's gun
Elton can sit on it, but this was one good song on his album.
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