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So the Eagles may be trading Mychal Kendricks
Posted on 4/20/15 at 1:06 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 1:06 am
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CSN Philly's Andrew Kulp would be "mildly surprised" if Eagles ILB Mychal Kendricks is not traded "before or during the draft."
Kulp is just connecting dots, but he draws a very interesting picture. Even though Kendricks is entering the last year of his rookie deal, the Eagles have yet to approach him about an extension. They did extend DeMeco Ryans and traded for Kiko Alonso. Chip Kelly seems to be on a mission to rid his roster of players acquired by ex-GM Howie Roseman. Kendricks is a budding star, but Kelly has proven willing to part ways with star players at the drop of a hat.
Would you trade one of our 3rd round picks for the guy on draft day knowing that he could jet in 2016 for nothing? Remember that the NFL franchise tag does not distinguish OLBs and ILBs, so if we tag him (won't happen) we're paying him based on the salaries of players like Justin Houston and Aldon Smith.
To be fair, he would drastically improve our defense for at least one season.
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Posted on 4/20/15 at 6:48 am to THRILLHO
Not for such a short time.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 7:02 am to THRILLHO
You'd think they'd work something out first. I'd absolutely give up a 3rd for him though.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 7:11 am to THRILLHO
For a mid 70s pick? Yes please.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 7:17 am to THRILLHO
Tough call. We are tight to the cap currently and not really in a position to sign any big contracts. Doing so would require back loading, which is something we just got finished fixing. Plus there are a handful of ILBs in this draft that are expected to be good. On the other hand this is a guy that is a known commodity, and we could bring him in and solidify the position with certainty. We do have the future room to sign him now, and we could rely on him for the next 4-5 yrs.
I lean towards drafting one of the guys with the 2nd rd pick, but could be persuaded to trade for him
I lean towards drafting one of the guys with the 2nd rd pick, but could be persuaded to trade for him
Posted on 4/20/15 at 7:25 am to Midget Death Squad
Absolutely...
Posted on 4/20/15 at 7:43 am to THRILLHO
I'd rather use that third to trade up from 31 to make sure we get the ILB we need in the draft.
Although Mychael is very good.
Although Mychael is very good.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 7:54 am to THRILLHO
Very interesting. Where are they picking in the first? Could they offer Kendricks and swap 1st round picks?
Posted on 4/20/15 at 8:05 am to Midget Death Squad
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Tough call. We are tight to the cap currently and not really in a position to sign any big contracts. Doing so would require back loading, which is something we just got finished fixing. Plus there are a handful of ILBs in this draft that are expected to be good. On the other hand this is a guy that is a known commodity, and we could bring him in and solidify the position with certainty. We do have the future room to sign him now, and we could rely on him for the next 4-5 yrs.
I lean towards drafting one of the guys with the 2nd rd pick, but could be persuaded to trade for him
Nice summation of the problems caused by trading for him.
I would normally say that the cap will ease up next year because the team will do something with Brees' $27.4M cap hit...but who knows what will ultimately happen with that.
This team has to get starter type players in the draft in order to include cheap labor to offset the upper end contracts. Trading for a guy who is going into a 2nd contract is not what we need.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 8:38 am to adono
It's very tough. A lot depends on what he'd go for in second contract as well. Hard to pass up a guy for that kind of pick that would be a defensive pillar for your team going into his prime. Essentially you're hoping that you draft a guy who can become Kendricks. Huge gamble considering this FO hasn't exactly had the best track with LBer position.
Dream scenario would be Mariotta falling and us trading 13 for him and Eagles 1st
Dream scenario would be Mariotta falling and us trading 13 for him and Eagles 1st
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 8:40 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 8:45 am to St Augustine
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Huge gamble considering this FO hasn't exactly had the best track with LBer position.
this isn't a fair assessment. their LB picks have all been mid-late rounders. they have missed on those for sure, but the guys in this draft we are discussing are the ones that everyone believes will be solid players. if we pick one and he fails, then the entire league failed in evaluating that player.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:21 am to Midget Death Squad
To be more accurate we did not fix the "problem" of backloading and we actually did more of it this year and will again in the future. What we did fix was the problem of overpaid players in their last year or two of their contracts(with pay cuts, cuts, and trades), which is actually why backloading is beneficial.
Just to give an example, Lofton's contract averaged $5.5m per year and was heavily backloaded. He wound up earning less than the $5.5m per(I think it was closer to $4m per but don't have the numbers presently).
Now had we not backloaded, or even worse frontloaded, we would have paid him more than we wound up doing. The ONLY benefit to not backloading is it makes it easier to keep a borderline player. We may have kept Lofton at $5.5m. Would that have been the right call? Hard to say.
Another benefit to backloading is planned obsolescence. What I mean by that is we pay a player less in his younger (and usually better) years and as he gets older and his contracts swells we ask them to take a pay cut or get cut/traded. In that scenario the team has great leverage as the player is rather worth what his cap is(see Hawthorne, Bunkley, Evans, and Colston this year as pay cuts and Lofton and Grubbs as cuts/trades).
In the NFL backloading is THE way to go and that's why pretty much every contract is done that way. Only reason not to do so is if you are in a bidding war for a player and are giving him more guaranteed money to seal the deal.
Just to give an example, Lofton's contract averaged $5.5m per year and was heavily backloaded. He wound up earning less than the $5.5m per(I think it was closer to $4m per but don't have the numbers presently).
Now had we not backloaded, or even worse frontloaded, we would have paid him more than we wound up doing. The ONLY benefit to not backloading is it makes it easier to keep a borderline player. We may have kept Lofton at $5.5m. Would that have been the right call? Hard to say.
Another benefit to backloading is planned obsolescence. What I mean by that is we pay a player less in his younger (and usually better) years and as he gets older and his contracts swells we ask them to take a pay cut or get cut/traded. In that scenario the team has great leverage as the player is rather worth what his cap is(see Hawthorne, Bunkley, Evans, and Colston this year as pay cuts and Lofton and Grubbs as cuts/trades).
In the NFL backloading is THE way to go and that's why pretty much every contract is done that way. Only reason not to do so is if you are in a bidding war for a player and are giving him more guaranteed money to seal the deal.
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 9:24 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:56 am to THRILLHO
I would absolutely trade a 3rd for him, but despite the speculation, I don't think they trade him.
1. They could definitely find snaps for all three (Alonso, Ryans, Kendricks), depending on the packages.
2. It never hurts to have depth, especially with Alonso coming off of an ACL tear.
1. They could definitely find snaps for all three (Alonso, Ryans, Kendricks), depending on the packages.
2. It never hurts to have depth, especially with Alonso coming off of an ACL tear.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:20 am to THRILLHO
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Would you trade one of our 3rd round picks for the guy on draft day knowing that he could jet in 2016 for nothing?
Why would would the Eagles trade him for a 3rd when they drafted with a 2nd?
Wouldn't a team thinking of trading for him cut a new deal before pulling the trigger?
Just getting your thoughts on these.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:28 am to THRILLHO
they won't trade him unless its a sign and trade.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:13 am to adono
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Why would would the Eagles trade him for a 3rd when they drafted with a 2nd?
He's entering the final year of his cheap rookie contract and will be getting a fairly large raise next season. Ngata is one of the best interior lineman in the NFL and was dealt with a 7th round pick for the a 4th and a 5th for the same reason.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:24 am to SammyTiger
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they won't trade him unless its a sign and trade.
Would seem so.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 5:23 pm to Midget Death Squad
If we're going to spend a 1st or 2nd rounder on an ilb, why not trade the pick instead for a proven ilb?
1 of our top targets is his brother, Eric, and isn't he arguably better than Eric will be?
I wouldn't mind giving up our second round pick for a proven, young ILB
1 of our top targets is his brother, Eric, and isn't he arguably better than Eric will be?
I wouldn't mind giving up our second round pick for a proven, young ILB
Posted on 4/20/15 at 5:28 pm to ST3PH3N
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If we're going to spend a 1st or 2nd rounder on an ilb, why not trade the pick instead for a proven ilb?
1 of our top targets is his brother, Eric, and isn't he arguably better than Eric will be?
I wouldn't mind giving up our second round pick for a proven, young ILB
The reason is pretty simple: The guy is about to hit his second contract and will cost (at least) double what a #13 pick would cost.
That's been the problem on this team...they don't get what they need in the draft and are forced into the FA market. As we all know, we've pissed away a fortune chasing FA guys and they very seldom work out.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 5:38 pm to SammyTiger
Theoretically: If the Saints don't take an ILB with 13, 31 or 44, they'd have some time to talk to the Eagles and Kendricks' agent to try to work out something before the third round picks come along.
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