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re: What will tuition at LSU look like in 15 years?
Posted on 4/12/15 at 9:21 pm to krones
Posted on 4/12/15 at 9:21 pm to krones
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While tuition and fees are $8,750 right now, tuition alone is only $6677.85/year for a full time student taking 15 hours/semester.
But, you pretty much can't even get in unless you qualify for TOPS.
So, the vast majority of students are paying about $2,100/year. And, that is not only CHEAP, but it's also ridiculous.
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Posted on 4/12/15 at 9:36 pm to hungryone
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But an education is not a purchase...its a process. No one is forcing anyone to go to college....indeed, you can enroll as a non matriculating student and take just the accounting or whatever you choose. Bothering to get an entire degree indicates a level of diversity and breadth of knowledge. If you don't value it, don't get a degree. Plenty of tech and trade school out there.
An education is a purchase. Students may not exchange money for a product. They are exchanging it for a service. Same if you pay money to teach you piano lessons.
A doctor in this thread mentioned that these classes are a waste of time. I'm sure former students paying back their students loans also agree.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 8:30 am to PeteRose
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An education is a purchase.
and perversely, a majority of colleges have increased "amenities" which has changed the culture from one of "poor students" studying to make a better life to a "college is a resort where you take classes."
I took a year of British literature; I took a ton of humanities. I agree that it was fun to learn about history, culture, economics, etc, but for today's kids/parents they are paying up for a college lifestyle that they will not be able to maintain when they join the workforce.
I'll talk about Auburn since I'm an alumnus and have watched the changes over the years.
1982:
Cafeteria: Hamburger under a heat lamp; black coffee from a big pot
2015
Cafeteria: Sushi prepared while you wait; Starbucks
1982:
Housing:
Dorms/Apartments: Roof over head, shared space, etc
2015:
Housing:
Luxury condos, etc
1982:
Student recreation: One big TV, some folding chairs, a ping pong table, intramurals
2015:
Student recreation:
Very high end gyms with climbing walls, Las Vegas style pools, etc
Chaucer, Shakespeare, Kant, Plato, Socrates, etc have not changed in 33 years. The information age SHOULD have caused a decrease in the price of learning INFORMATION, but the colleges have turned it into a luxury experience.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 8:43 am to PeteRose
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Yes, for some people college education benefits them by increasing their future career earning. However, this is for specialized and in demand fields such as Medicine, Engineering, IT, etc. But the message that "you have to go to college to succeed" is not true. I've dealt with electricians, plumbers, and welders that are pulling in 100K plus. So a vocational education can lead one to have a lucrative career. But you'll never hear people on TV or in Movies praise such career paths because they are perceived as "low status" job by most people. In all honestly, I advise people against going to college if they were going to major in general studies, art history, sociology, or women studies. If you are interested in these fields, fine...get a library card. You don't need to get in debt for 25K to gain knowledge on these subjects.
Agree with most of this. I will add that I think the idea of pushing kids to college is a bit old fashioned. It used to give you an advantage just by virtue of graduating. As a higher percentage of kids started going, that advantage has narrowed. At this point, 4 years experience in many fields outweigh the college credentials. To your point, working as a mechanic or electrician for 4 years could easily get you the experience to start a business. or, could provide significant experience to start to become more specialized.
Some kids are just not college material. And there is nothing wrong with that, doesnt mean they arent smart, just means they dont understand or buy into the added value the college experience can provide.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 8:59 am to makersmark1
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and perversely, a majority of colleges have increased "amenities" which has changed the culture from one of "poor students" studying to make a better life to a "college is a resort where you take classes."
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Chaucer, Shakespeare, Kant, Plato, Socrates, etc have not changed in 33 years. The information age SHOULD have caused a decrease in the price of learning INFORMATION, but the colleges have turned it into a luxury experience.
This, all the way. Parents/students don't see college as a place to learn and grow, they see it as a "lifestyle choice" or brand affiliation. Those parents & students often choose a campus based on the soft features: nice dorms, student rec centers, foodservice choices & quality, amenities of student union, etc. It's an arms race of amenities in higher ed....and its costing colleges big bucks.
Meanwhile in LA, many state schools rely on hordes of poorly paid adjuncts to teach the flood of TOPS-using, inadequately prepared undergraduates. We haven't increased the number of poor kids graduating from college with TOPS, we've simply increased the standard of living for middle class kids who would have attended anyway.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 10:34 am to hungryone
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Parents/students don't see college as a place to learn and grow, they see it as a "lifestyle choice" or brand affiliation.
You have a better way with words than I do. I like the way you succinctly capture the essence of college as a "brand." It is another "thing" that turns us into conspicuous consumers.
I think there are a few throwback colleges. I read about one in California where the students all live on a working ranch. They farm, ranch, and study together. It is spartan compared to the soft culture of the big state schools with their waterfalls, wifi, Starbucks, etc.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 10:47 am to TulaneLSU
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