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re: Alonzo mourning says Jordan would average 50 today.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:47 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:47 am to PrimeTime Money
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Kobe wants to go back to the time when 1 on 1 basketball was king. Back then, the game was better for superior scorers (Jordan, Olajuwon, even Kobe). Now, it's more difficult for the stars while elevating the worth of role players.
This is a great point! I tried to explain in another post the rising value of true rim protectors in today's game. My fellow Pelicans fans don't want to believe it but Asik will get 11-12 million from a year this offseason, in large part because of the way the game is played today and the value of bigs that can hold the lane. This is also why guys like Gobert or D. Jordan are going to be max players. 20 years ago bigs with their skill sets were not nearly as valuable because the game overly valued 1 on 1 skills.
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:52 am to lsupride87
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I just want to hear one person address the fact that the 80s had the worst defense in NBA history, as well has the most points scored in NBA history, and MJ couldnt come even close to 50 ppg. Explain how he would today. Go
I haven't seen anyone say he would get 50. I said he could get to 40, and I mainly base that on the belief he could get to the line a lot more with the euro step and with the lack of all time greats inside. There were 3 years he averaged over 33 ppg. I don't think it is outrageous to think he could have put together a couple 40 point seasons with the way fouls are called today.
50, I agree, pretty much impossible
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:54 am to The Mick
quote:Well yeah but weren't called any where close to as much as they are today.
Flagrant fouls have been in place for 25 years
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:54 am to Buckeye06
And just so I'm clear, are we saying that if Harden went back and played in the 80s/90s we think he would average 40?
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 9:55 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:55 am to Buckeye06
quote:It's outrageous because he maxed out at 37ppg against teams not even trying defensively in the 80s, it was that bad. If you ever catch those Lakers-Finals on ESPN Classic from the 80s, watch it for 10 minutes. You'll be blown away by how little D they played, and tht's the NBA Finals, not even a regular season game.
I haven't seen anyone say he would get 50. I said he could get to 40, and I mainly base that on the belief he could get to the line a lot more with the euro step and with the lack of all time greats inside. There were 3 years he averaged over 33 ppg. I don't think it is outrageous to think he could have put together a couple 40 point seasons with the way fouls are called today.
So how can he then get to 40 when defense isn't nearly as bad as it was then...and I'm guessing pace is down as well from the 80s.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:55 am to MSUbulldogs03
Posted on 3/31/15 at 10:02 am to shel311
I know MJ is the greatest of all-time, but Kobe could keep up with him scoring. If he couldn't sniff 40ppg, there is no way in hell MJ could average 50. Maybe 40, but he couldn't even do that in an era known for poor defense.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 10:30 am to shel311
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That really is all it is, "everything was better back in my day!!!"
This latest generation is particularly annoying. Now that the NBA is back on its feet they want to shite on it. They don't want anyone to like today's game.
I was an MJ fan in my teen years 20 years ago. But his legend has outgrown his game. Comments like Zo's clearly illustrate that. I respect Zo but that doesn't mean he didn't go full retard with his comment.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 10:32 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 10:49 am to Tigersfan
MJ is GOAT. But Zo is ridiculous.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 10:55 am to MSUbulldogs03
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flagrant fouls for hard fouls.
You must have missed all of the hard fouling in the 80s and 90s.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 10:57 am to shel311
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It's outrageous because he maxed out at 37ppg against teams not even trying defensively in the 80s
When he "maxed out" that was arguably not his peak as an offensive player anyway.
If Kobe got to 35.4, the question is how much more would Jordan be capable of. It certainly isn't 50. My guess is 37 or 38...he would have to get to the line more than he did in the early 90s and simply shoot/make more 3pters to get there as well. I don't think it is 40 either.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:05 am to MSUbulldogs03
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he couldn't even do that in an era known for poor defense.
lol wut?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:11 am to Tigersfan
And he'd run uphill both ways on the court?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:12 am to CptBengal
quote:The 80s is known as the worst defensive era in NBA history. This isnt even debated by anyone. So what is your question?
lol wut?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:14 am to lsupride87
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The 80s is known as the worst defensive era in NBA history. This isnt even debated by anyone
Do you have a link?
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lsupride87
or is this just your idiotic opinion?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:15 am to CptBengal
quote:League Average eFG%
Do you have a link?
'80s: .491
'90s: .488
'00s: .484
League Average PPG
'80s: 109.3
'90s: 101.0
'00s: 96.9
% of Points from the Freethrow line
'80s: 20.3
'90s: 19.8
'00s: 19.5
Ill take my apology by you kissing my arse
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 11:16 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:17 am to CptBengal
quote:You think what of NBA defense in the 80s?
lol wut?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:18 am to CptBengal
Also, you could watch games from the 80's and you can see for yourself how bad the defense was.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:19 am to lsupride87
So let's see....do you understand basic points of statistics:
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League Average eFG%
FG% is determinant of defense? or could players be better shooters? For your argument to hold, all players would have to shoot the same percentage in every decade.
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League Average PPG
Hmmm, good thing there were no rule changes, and that PPG only depends on defense.
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% of Points from the Freethrow line
we wont even get into statistical significance.
What a fool, you cant even prove your point. But you're a mental midget on tRant...might as well extend your asshatery here too.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:19 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:10 minutes, tops. That's all it takes, and everything you thought you remembered about the NBA in the 1980s, you'll realize it was nothing like you thought it was.
Also, you could watch games from the 80's and you can see for yourself how bad the defense was
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